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Scott F. Guinn
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You need to understand the difference between seeing coin magic performed on a video, where the camera doesn't blink and you having the whole magician, table and spectators in your frame of vision, as opposed to sitting there, being the one for whom the routine is being performed.

I spent ten days on the road with David a couple of years back on his NW lecture tour, and he absolutely stunned everyone, including some very fine coin men who are far beyond my ability and knowledge with coins. (He is also--unknown to most magicians--an amazingly skilled card magician!)

But that's not all! I also got to see him perform for laymen, in both formal and impromptu situations. They never had a clue! And all you have to do is watch the video of him performing for David Letterman (who is NOTORIOUS for giving magicians a bad time and catching them and exposing them!) to see how utterly Letterman was fooled. He kept saying "That looks like special effects! Like a camera trick! And he's doing it right under my nose!" And part of that performance used EXTENSIVE clasic palming.

I said all that to say this--
Don't make the mistake of thinking that because he didn't fool you on a video with techniques you already know about, that he wouldn't fool you in person, or that the sleights he uses wouldn't fool in a real situation, or that the classic palm is useless. It is one of the very foundations of coin magic, and in the right hands with the correct technique it will utterly fool--every time.
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Scott,

I appreciate that post. In an earlier reply, I suggested that my disappointment may have stemmed from the very fact that I'm watching a video. I think that's an important point that is seldom addressed. Misdirection becomes an impossiblity when you're watching an unblinking camera framing the entire scene. I noticed that with the Darwin Ortiz videos as well. Quite honestly it got me asking, is this really as good as it gets?

On another subject, I'm curious where Roth performs shows. I know card guys can get away with decent size rooms? How exactly does that work for top coin magicians?
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When I have to work a decent sized room I revert to using more stand up large coin (silver dollar size) routines such as flurries, coin productions and vanishes, 3 fly, coins across - coins through the table standing up, etc.

You just have to resort to the stuff that's easier for a larger crowd to see.

And as far as seeing something that looks horrible on video that works fine in real life - if you have a broadband connection, look at my coin flurry jumbo coin flurry in the videos section of my website
http://www.coinvanish.com
when I ditch the regular coin it sticks out like a sore thumb, it looks like complete
&*%^ on the video - however, in real life, I get away with it because everyone is always fixated on the jumbo coin as I move it toward them. BTW - seeing it on video made me stop using that ditch just to be on the safe side Smile

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The fact is (and I know someone will throw something at me for saying this), good presentation and misdirection can make up for the worst coin handling in the world (well, almost) and I've seen it happen.

Also, I think you're dead on Platt, I think it's the video. It's a hard thing for us all, but we have to watch videos with a different eye. I think video has led to an undue reliance on sleight of hand over misdirection and it’s one of the few things I have against video.

Case in point: (I covered this in another post, but I can't remember where).
Anyway, a magician friend of mine was watching some old film of Slydini with a civilian friend of his. The friend just kept shrugging, "what's the big deal, he's just dumping everything in his lap". Video destroys misdirection, Scott's quite right. Don't let the video fool you, the old, simple stuff is often the best if you just use it right.


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Over the years I've created a routine based upon Paul Harris version of Coins Across. It is my favorite probably because the routine is my own, it is un-gimmicked, and it has developed a lot of corny lines over the years. I'd give scotch and soda a close second.
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My favourite right now is Tom Stones "one coin opener". It is great visual magic (if thats your poison) and involves more than just the standard stuff. For instance a pen suddenly appears from behind the coin (sleeves uprolled and the hands were empty a second ago). The pen is then incorporated into the routine.

Also this routine gives you a lot of room for improvisation and to change things to make it suit you.

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I love 3/4 across of the Gregory Wilson "On the Spot" tape. I haven't mastered it yet, but it is a very strong impromptu trick. I am very partial to Scotch and Soda (the first trick I bought). However, Hopping Halves gets quite a reaction as well.
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Regarding the discussion on misdirection and videos, I think that it depends on the field of view. If all that we see is the performer's hands, we won't be misdirected. We can't be misdirected.

But with a wider field of view, misdirection can work on a video. Look at Paul Wilson's Crowded Coins - on video, the misdirection works for me. (But perhaps I'm just easily fooled.)

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Mine would have to be Michael Rubinstein's Purse Spellbound (thanks Michael). I carry a coin purse with those coins inside.

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When I joined the Cafe a few days back, I included a plug for a young magician I met recently. I think this would be the perfect place to talk about him... no, I don't get a kickback and I'm not his manager... merely a guy that has been impressed to the 9th degree.

The magician's name is Shoot Ogawa and he is 26. He is visiting from Japan for a year and is presently working the early close up show at The Castle.

Heavy coin workers are already starting to hang out just to see his show over and over. He does every variation of the Matrix, but all with his personal touches. He ends with a one-handed version that uses two cards and no extra coins and the coins return to their original positions as a kicker.

He does a one handed Shadow coins with no shells! When I first met him we were all in Hollywood Magic and the trick that everyone was working on is the Chinese coins and ribbon that opens the book Destroyers.
For those that know, it's a beautiful routine and requires and extra coin.

Shoot looked at it for a minute and within five minutes came up with a way to do it with only three coins and the first coin's penetration astounded all the magicians that were watching it. Now he ends it with a jumbo coin kicker.

Mark my words: In a couple of years you will hear his name and he will change the way close up magic is performed and created. He is the present day Paul Harris. I don't say that lightly.
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In my opinion, the absolute best coin effect ever is a Gary Kurtz effect called 'Full Frontal Assault.' When I first saw it on one of the 'Magic of Canada' videos I had to rewind it five times and watch the effect before he explained it! It is stunning. Even after watching the explanation you just can't see any sleights during the performance. He also released it as a one-routine booklet in the early 90s.
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Shoot, this guy sounds good! I think that I saw Shoot at the last A1 convention... From what I could observe there was a very quiet Asian of small build with two toned hair leaning over a table. Around the table was Dean Dill, Steve Cohen, Todd Lassen, Michael Ammar and a few others hovering tightly about. It was a good thing that I had a dealer table next to the action.
Anyway, when he walked by my table he looked my way and I gave him the nod as if to some way say "You are cool man". You should have been there.
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I saw him last year after the Castle Swap meet. He gave an impromptu performance downstairs for John Lovick (Handsome Jack), myself, and about five or six others. You're right, he is VERY good. His mentor is Mr. Yanigida, and he is also heavily influenced by my friend Dan Fleshman, who is friends with Mr. Yanigida.

I think he just needs a bit more variety, and he will be one of the very best.


Although, when it comes to an astonishing coin routine, Jim, your 13 coin matrix is tough to beat! Can't do it myself, but I've enjoyed seeing you do it
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On 2002-03-24 22:47, Jim Pace wrote:
Shoot, this guy sounds good! I think that I saw Shoot at the last A1 convention... From what I could observe there was a very quiet Asian of small build with two toned hair leaning over a table. Around the table was Dean Dill, Steve Cohen, Todd Lassen, Michael Ammar and a few others hovering tightly about. It was a good thing that I had a dealer table next to the action. Anyway, when he walked by my table he looked my way and I gave him the nod as if to some way say "You are cool man". You should have been there.
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Jim, it sounds like you ran into Hiroki. He is a friend of Shoot's and is also very talented. He does a few of Shoot's routines and does some incredible palming to pocket. I believe I've gotten Shoot booked for Magic On The Beach which is happening in November in Miami. But, in the meantime, Shoot will be in the Hollywood area for about a year so if anyone stops into Hollywood Magic you might see him there or we'll be able to tell you where he is. The guy is an incredible talent. He blew me away the other day with a three Chinese coin and one half dollar matrix where the Chinese coins become half dollars... no double face coins and I never saw the switches.
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I have got to get out more!
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I like Dishonest Abe for pure fun and ease of performance. Easy on us, not so great finger flingers and gets great reactions from spectators, especially when the jumbo coin suddenly appears in their hand. I'm also fond of Daryl's 8 coin Magic Cross of India. Again super easy and long enough to allow for some funny byplay.
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I would have to say that my two favorite coins routines would have to be my Coin Reset and my No Palm Coins Through Table.

Coin Reset begins with a high powered Gadabout Coins idea, and then all three instantly change into 3 English Pennies, similar to Paul Gertner's Chinese in the Hand. Then they change back to half dollars one at a time. The last one changes visibly from the center of a coin fan using my MS Coin Fan Change. Wesley James helped a lot on the inital two in the hand, one in the pocket phase.

The No Palm Coins Through Table is very new, but what happens is, the coin visibly goes through the table. The stack of coins remains on the table throughout most of the routine and when I cover the coins one vanishes and goes through the table. It involves no lapping and can be done standing. I also like the coins across premise, one of my favorite being Dingle's Silver Quick, because if you are going to be using a shell you might as well make it happen in the spectators hand.
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I love spellbound and coins across.
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I've got to say, my top 3 favorite coin effects would have to be, Translocation, Ultimate Explosion, and my version of Three Fly.

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1. Gary Kurtz'z Trio
2. John Kennedy's Translocation
3. Ammar's Coins thru Silk


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