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Here's a great line for the coloring book that you are all welcome to use that I ad-libbed one day and it got such a great response, I kept it in...

I have the kids touch their clothes and pretend to toss the different colors toward the book, I act as though someone hits me in the eye with one of the colors they threw. I feign wiping my eye, look at my hand, and say "allright, who's the wise guy that gave me a black eye?"

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On 2005-04-17 09:07, Lyndel wrote:

I have the kids touch their clothes and pretend to toss the different colors toward the book, I act as though someone hits me in the eye with one of the colors they threw. I feign wiping my eye, look at my hand, and say "allright, who's the wise guy that gave me a black eye?"


Good one. I do something similiar (not sure where I picked it up from). I tell the kids to be careful when throwing the colors so that they don't hit me in the nose. Of course, they all throw at my nose. I pretend to get hurt, and place a palmed clown's nose on my nose. "Is there a mark on my nose? That's not funny - you bopped me on the nose!"

Get's a good laugh.

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Well, this trick is in MANY science manuals for teachers. So I think you are risking the "I've seen that" or "I know how that is done".

BUT

If you are going to do it, if you cut out a bit of colored plactic or celluloid; you can palm it, then when the kids throw the colors you can "smack" your head like you got hit, and there is a big glob of color on your face!

You can also make up a towel like the good night banner in the Mark Wilson course in magic, so you show it clean, wipe off your face, then it is covered with colors like you wiped them off your face.

Just a thought

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Hmm here is good example I think: I was going to do stiff rope and took it out from my box, then I asked do you know how you make rope stiff. One kid said I know that trick magician Luttinen made it on tv. I said well like this grabbed both ends and pulled them. Then I said do you know how to make rope stiff if you hold only one end. like this one end pointing downwards and the upper end in my hand. Then the kid said the magician luttinen made it stiff by magic. I continued with stiff rope well maybe you don't know this stiff rope. Then the kid said the magician luttinen made the same. I said well I am as good as luttinen I can make it too. At this point one of the kids almost hitted the other said SHH I want watch be quiet Smile I was going to laugh but didn't do anything. during the durine stiff,plots,stiff,plots I saw that the kid who said he knows the trick laughed as much as other because I was so fun (I hope Smile9
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Again, everyone here is free to do as they wish.

I will simply say again that the coloring book has been sold to scoutmasters and teachers at numbers you will not believe.

There are science catalogs for teachers, this is to teach science in the classroom, that not only sell the coloring book but the vanishing crayons as well.

What the science is, I have no idea. The point is when a scoutmaster or a school teacher does it, IT MEANS THERE IS NOTHING MAGIC ABOUT IT. YOU are suposed to be a superior being, someone with special powers. You diminish yourself in the eyes of the audience when you do something "common" that their teacher or scoutmaster did.

My belief, from many years of training in judo and jujutsu, is to AVOID the problems rather than dealing with them. There are simply WAY MORE effects that are EXCELLENT, then there are excellent magicians to perform them.

Problem is, a magician has to look it up, work it out, and make it new. It is simply easier to be a lemming and do what everyone else is doing, from the same books and videos everyone is watching. This is what Eugene Burger refers to as "a monkey magician". I simply do not wish to be one of those.

So, as I say, do whatever you wish. Just remember the choice says exactly who you are.

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On 2005-04-17 14:13, MarkTripp wrote:
What the science is, I have no idea. The point is when a scoutmaster or a school teacher does it, IT MEANS THERE IS NOTHING MAGIC ABOUT IT. YOU are suposed to be a superior being, someone with special powers. You diminish yourself in the eyes of the audience when you do something "common" that their teacher or scoutmaster did.


Mark, I appreciate your comments, especially the ones about avoiding problems, and Mr. Burger's "monkey" comment. However, I think that you are mistaken when you say "YOU are supposed to be a superior being." Some magicians take that attitude, and frankly it's a turn off to most magicians and most lay audiences. I'm more of the Penn and Teller school of thought which is, I'm just a clever guy who knows a couple of cool things (I'm paraphrasing of course).

Anyway, guys like Paul Harris and Michael Ammar who have studied the art and analyzed up one side and down another have come to a conclusion that I happen to agree with. The conclusion is that we are "in it" with the audience, not as superior beings, but as peers to the audience.

You also mentioned that the coloring book has been sold to scout masters, teachers, etc... The salt shaker through the table (using the napkin or newspaper to hold the shape of the salt shaker) is actually written up in many cub scout books, etc. Yet Paul Gertner (a very successful and well know performer) uses it in his act.

To me, the coloring book is not about the colors appearing or disappearing, it's about the kids "throwing" colors at one of my volunteers. It's about the moment when mom takes the picture of her birthday boy dressed in a goofy "artist" costume. The coloring book is just a vehicle for the real magic which is the fun, the feeling and the bonding I have with the kids I perform for.

Again, I respect your opinion, and you made a lot of valid points. But like you, I also say, "do whatever you wish." This is just one man's opinion. Smile
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I agree with jstone and disagree with the point that MarkTripp is trying to make. I would like to give some perspective:

1. First, I love it when a kid at a birthday party says something like "I know how this one is done!!!" I then say some clever lines that do not make the kid feel bad and are funny. This shows that we are all relaxed, I am a nice guy and that it's ok to get involved. Also, the parents see that I can deal with a situation like that in a perfect way. They usually seem impressed at how I dealt with that and find the actually response funny as well.

2. I would do this trick for young kids even if everyone in the audience knew the secret. While magicians are supposed to fool people, what is wrong with taking a "magic break" for a moment if it sooooo much fun for the kids? They love it!!! On top involving all the kids, you can make them laugh so hard and get so worked up that it is now a staple for me.

3. If they do not enjoy the trick just because they know how it is done, then you are presenting the trick in a weak way and you can improve by using some of the great ideas in this thread.

Good luck! Smile

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On 2005-04-18 06:15, ZAM! wrote:
I agree with jstone and disagree with the point that MarkTripp is trying to make. I would like to give some perspective:

1. First, I love it when a kid at a birthday party says something like "I know how this one is done!!!" I then say some clever lines that do not make the kid feel bad and are funny. This shows that we are all relaxed, I am a nice guy and that it's ok to get involved. Also, the parents see that I can deal with a situation like that in a perfect way. They usually seem impressed at how I dealt with that and find the actually response funny as well.

2. I would do this trick for young kids even if everyone in the audience knew the secret. While magicians are supposed to fool people, what is wrong with taking a "magic break" for a moment if it sooooo much fun for the kids? They love it!!! On top involving all the kids, you can make them laugh so hard and get so worked up that it is now a staple for me.

3. If they do not enjoy the trick just because they know how it is done, then you are presenting the trick in a weak way and you can improve by using some of the great ideas in this thread.

Good luck! Smile

ZAM!


Well, belief doesn't change the truth.

I understand, I really do, it is much easier to do that trick you are used to, that is very easy to do.

That is why so many people are doing it, like teachers and scout masters.

As a magician you are suposed to be doing things that are "magicial". That means things the teacher or scout master is not doing.

Again, do as you wish. Perhaps you are really a clown without makeup...

...but a magician? Not if you are mired in the mundane....
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I’m afraid you do not understand, MarkTripp. First of all, the teachers and scout people are not getting the crazy, great, and hilarious reactions out of the kids that I do. When a parent comes up to me after a show and says that their child laughed more at me than in their whole life, it means a lot to me. The parent may have been exaggerating, but to know that I made the kids laugh THAT much IS real magic and it IS more than the teachers and scout people do.

Also, I was asking "While magicians are supposed to fool people, what is wrong with taking a "magic break" for a moment if it [is] sooooo much fun for the kids? They love it!!!" Are you saying that The Powers of Darkness by Mike Caveney or paper towels over the head, or so on, should not be done? Lots of famous and well respected magicians do "tricks" like these and a take a break from the magic so that everyone can have some major laughs and a major good time.

As for "I understand, I really do, it is much easier to do that trick you are used to, that is very easy to do." (as MarkTripp said), I am not doing this trick because it is easy. Most, if not all, of tricks for children’s shows are easy to do. But this one can bring down the house like few, or maybe none, others.

And THAT is not mundane, as you seem to have suggested, MarkTripp.


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On 2005-04-18 06:56, MarkTripp wrote:
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As a magician you are suposed to be doing things that are "magicial". That means things the teacher or scout master is not doing.


Mark, with all due respect, I think you're missing the boat. I would recommend that you read Paul Harris's Art of Astonishment volume one. Right at the beginning of the book, he has a section about astonishment; what magic really is. You'll find, in his opinion and many others, that the magic has nothing to do with the card disappearing or the coloring book changing; it has to do with the experience and the feeling created by the magician in the audience.

You say that we are supposed to be doing something "magical." What is more magical than making a child laugh?
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Somtimes I am a performer, and sometimes I am a spectator. Last Saturday night I was a spectator. The magician brought out the magic coloring book and I even heard one kids in front of me (around 7 years old) say out loud... "I know how that's done, I have one too." To make a long story short, the kid as well as the rest of the audience, including myself (who owns 5 of these things) was teary eyed from hysterical laughter. This performer made it work, and that is not something even I expected from something that I have seen countless "magicians" perform. What made it so funny was his patter, including some of the lines from the above posts, his facial expressions, and his attitude. Even HE was breaking character and laughing. Everytime he turned around to gain his composure, he's turn back around and the audience was in such a frenzy, he started with a smile and again started laughing himself. As a performer, I knew he was capitalizing on the contagious laughter. Was it the coloring book? Not even, it was the performer that made that 7 minutes memorable.

I think this thread is drifting off course abit. I have never seen a great magician that expected his audience to think he was magical or possessed special powers. I have seen many bad magicians try that angle and they failed. Not in their eyes though. The problem with that persona is they really have no idea that they need to connect to the audience. By placing themselves in the "superpower" category, they are distancing themselves and the audience could really care less if he escapes or not. They know it's a trick or an illusion. Who do these magicians think they are fooling? You can fool your audience with an effect...which means they don't know how it's done, but if they don't connect and "care" about that performer, it comes across as cold and meaningless.
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Here's an interesting take on the over exposure of this trick.

One of the best investments that I have made pertaining to the Coloring book - was purchasing a duplicate coloring book with ALL blank pages.

After a kids party, I would casually place it on top of my table while packing up. Most shows, nothing was ever said about it, but On at least 5 or 6 occasions, I can remember it really paying off.

One time in particular was when a grandmother came up to me after a show and was saying how interested her grandson was in magic. She said that she had given him several tricks and magic kits as gifts - and had even wound up helping him learn them too. She mentioned that, "He even does the coloring book trick, like you did in the show."

I said, "Oh this thing?" and casually handed it to her as I continued to pack up and make small talk. Out of the corner of my eye, I watched her flip through the blank coloring book a few times - seeming somewhat confused. As she handed it back to me, she said something to the effect of, "He (her grandson) has the amateur model. It's not like this one..."

I replied, "oh yes, I've seen those amateur coloring books before, they're great for beginners..." I smiled (to myself) as she handed it back to me and I packed it away...

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It has been said a poor workman blames his tools. The colouring book is a great trick if presented well.

I have a whole routine built around it with colour changing scarves, rainbow streamer, costuming and more.

It still plays well to a younger crowd (like up to about 7 or 8) but well worth including.
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One thing that amazes me is that I still get great reactions with the Colouring Book and there are still people who have not seen it. No matter how many Magicians do it, not every kid has seen a Magic show. So keep rocking with the Colouring Book. It gets great reactions if done well! Presentation is everything with this! Cheers!
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If you are tired or don't like the Coloring Book. Make your own - as mentioned above( sorry, re-look at forum-couldn't fine my post ??, maybe in an other forum ?? LOL) -like making RV's vanish - maybe even your own Family (Portraits) or friends, LOL. Magicians should have a GOOD IMAGINATION. RR
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If you are tired or don't like the Coloring Book. Make your own - as mentioned above( sorry, re-look at forum-couldn't fine my post ??, maybe in an other forum ?? LOL) -like making RV's vanish - maybe even your own Family (Portraits) or friends, LOL. Magicians should have a GOOD IMAGINATION. RR

Just talking out loud - you could get one of those online photo albums printed with all the correct pictures and then gimmick it up when it arrives. That would be a quick way to make one.
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Also had great success with this one and kids. It's really relatable to them (who doesn't have a coloring book at home?), and it's so easy to stretch it into several minutes of back-and-forth with an a half-circle engaged spectators. Lots of "oh, we need more green, can you pick some off that grass and toss it in?" while pretending to look through it yourself. This really comes down to presentation, but they'll do most of the work with big smiles on their faces.
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Ever since making my own I’ve never been called out with the “oh I’ve seen this one before!”
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Then do something else with the effect - as mentioned above. Especially if you make your own.
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Keep in mind that there are many different versions of the coloring book, besides the Royal Magic version. That's a a very common version, and kids sometimes recognize the cover from seeing another performer (or one of your own previous performances).

There's also the Danny Orleans' Colossal Coloring book.

There's a version of the coloring book by Di Fatta, which I saw on the Vanishing Inc. website (Amazekids website).

Christopher T. Magician (Christopher Barnes) sells a "Santa's List" book, and a "Pirate Island" book, and a "Book of Boogers". He's shown them / talked about them in Facebook groups, and in KIDabra lectures.

Silly Billy (David Kaye) sells an "Avengers" book, and a "Mickey Mouse" book, and a "Toy Story" book.

Scott Green sells a "Rocket Magic" book (sold by Scott directly, as well as Vanishing Inc.) At one time, he also sold a "Magic Storybook - Progressive Coloring Book", but it's out of stock just now.

Years ago, Cody Fisher designed a "3 Kid Monte" routine with 3 books. It's an audio routine, much like the "Banana / Bandana" routine.

I also own a "Holy Bible" coloring book (Dock Haley), and a "Secrets of Success" book (Steve Hart / Magic 2 Motivate), and a "Stamp Album" version (I bought my most recent one from David Ginn).

I'm sure there are others.

- Donald

P.S. At Virtual KIDabra 2021, Buster Balloon showed off his new Halloween coloring book, that he was about to release.
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