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Roland Henning
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I need a convincing technique for false transfering a billard ball to the "other" hand. So far I am using the French Drop. Other false transfers seem to be designed for smaller balls. Any ideas or sources?

Oh yeah, One thing I forgot to mention. I have small hands. I can hide a billard ball in the hand, but barely. So no techniques that require hands, that could palm an elephant.

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Couldn't you just do a straight False transfer using a Finger Palm...as used in Cups and Balls Routines?

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What is wrong w/FD? as far as the other methods for smaller balls goes just modify the moves for the larger balls-and use the smallest size bill balls that work for your hand. also the use of a silk can be very helpful-that may change ur routine tho.
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There is no problem with the French Drop. But changing the techniques during a repeated disappearance and reappearance is a good thing because it adds to the deception. And I intent to do a routine that requires to make a billard ball sized ball vanish about 5 to 6 times. Using the French Drop all the time would kind of violate the rule of never repeating an effect.

I do have a silk and ball routine in my repertoire,
http://www.magicvideodepot.com/view.php?a=v&t=4933
so adding a silk would not be a wise thing.
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I am sure that with a little experimenting you'll find the right technique.
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Jeff McBride's World Class Manipulation series has GREAT techniques for barehanded vanishes of billiard balls, including color changes.
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And what is the problem with the False Transfer? I still can't see it...

Look in any coin book, and you are bound to find things that will suit you. As mentioned above, Jeff McBride has some wonderful moves and techniques that might fit your needs. Retention vanishes with BB size balls can look fabulous too.
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Roland Henning
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The problem with the standard false transfers is, that they don't look natural, when performed with a billard ball. Probably, because you wouldn't transfer a billard ball in standard transfer fashion for real. Also, most of the false transfers in print, require, that the hand which is supposed to receive the coin, ball or whatever, must close around it, so nobody can see, that it is not there. It is simply not possible with a billard sized ball.

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Why can't you classic palm it? Are you using tennis ball size balls (if so, don't bother looking at the rest of this post)?
Still, try looking at some of the many slights in a simple coin book.

If you can classic palm that size ball, Simply try the following, and tell me the problems, maybe I, and others, can help you more:

Have both hands face up( about 2-3 inches apart), and the ball in one of them. Turn that hand over, "placing" the ball into your opposite hand. As you "place" it, classic palm the ball...

What is the problem with that? I do it a lot.

hope it helps, Smile
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Have a look at the false transfers put on vidoe by Lonnie C and myself. There is also a cute one in the Ramsay cups and balls routine. Okay two actually Smile
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Try a loop ball.
Roland Henning
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Loop ball is a good idea. I have seen Cellini on one of his DVD's performing a routine with the loop ball. Thanks.

@Magicmaven: I want to use real Billard Balls, there is no way for my, to classic palm that ball, naturally. There too heavy.

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While you can't palm a billiard ball, you can palm a Fakini billiard ball. They are lighter. So is a wooden ball the same size as a billiard ball.

My hands are not large, but I can conceal a 2 1/4 inch billard ball from the front by bringing up my fingers, as I described in my PM. I understand your performing conditions. Maybe what you need to work on is angle blocking by body positions.
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Look on Tim Wrights Multiplying Balls video. He has got some great stuff.

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