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Bennie90
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Hi.
I don't know anything about linking rings, not even the secret, and I want to start practicing and performing them. What is good, nice, and pretty cheap set. I was thinking Shoot Ogawas Ninja rings + ninja rings dvd? is this good. I saw they are very small only 4,5". Is there any bigger?
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I would suggest getting a cheaper set of small linking rings (the empire set of 8 is not bad and roughly the same size as the ninjas which is only a 4 ring set but half the price and you get a set of 8), don't shell out on the ninja rings just yet (or a full size set for that matter). Have a play with the cheaper rings and see if you like the effect and it suits you.

Then decide if you want to perform it with large or small rings (in general stage or closeup), if you are doing closeup then the ninja rings dvd will teach you a lot (though you can use any rings you like, not just the actual ninja rings, some people just prefer the look and feel of these). The choice of rings is a personal one, and you may go through a few sets while finding the set you like, or you may find the empire closeup set is all you need.

I see you are a McBride fan, he covers linking rings on his stage magic dvds and a lot more beside I would go for that volume (volume 1) over the ninja ring dvd unless you really want to specialise!
Bennie90
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Ok thankyou! I would like to use larger rings, is it harder than smaller?
How much does those cheaper rings cost?
ps. I am not so McBride fan, well I like him but not so huge fan. Just that those card manipulation things are hard, very hard:D
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Larger rings are easier to handle, in my opinion, and expand the range of moves you can do.

If you want large rings, get a set at least 10 inches. These will last you a long time, so it is better to make an investment in a good full set of eight rings.

This will give you the ability to work with any ring routine you choose--whether eight ring, six ring, five ring, or four ring routine.

The best classic routines to start with are "Jack Miller's Linking Ring Routine" (five rings) and Dai Vernon's "Symphony of the Rings." These will teach you all the most important moves and routining ideas and both are available in pamphlet form for a few dollars.

There are a lot of routines out there, and many great ones. The choice will depend on whether you are doing silent or talking act, want to use a spectator on stage, etc.

I have made a living off the linking rings for 35 years. You will have a lot of fun practicing and performing with them. They will teach you a lot about magic.

Good luck.
Bennie90
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Ok thank you very much! great information. How much does those bigger rings cost. Like 20euros or 70euros or 100euros ?
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I agree with Whit... get a 10-inch set, or even 8-inch depending on how big YOU are... by having a full set you can do more. The Ninja is a specialized close-up routine and doesn't give you a full range of moves.

You can start with a 3-ring routine to get comfortable with the handling, then a 5-ring routine (I have don't a 5-ring routine for over 40 years -- and a 3-ring routine occassionally when I want a short routine).

The Dai Vernon routine will teach you almost all you need to know.

If you like comedy then you could learn Whit's 4-ring routine. It is the best.

You might check http://www.harries.com in Sweden, or http://www.davenportmagic.com in the UK.
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If you really want to try the smaller rings... I also recommend the Empire 4" set because it's cheaper than the Ninja rings. Good to start with to see if you like it.

Here's a cool site to check out regarding resources for books and rings: http://magicref.tripod.com/magref/maglinkr.htm
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I have a Ninja ring set. I have the Empire 5" set. I also have a full 8", and 12" set. I have Magic Makers "Perfect Rings". I even have Sankey's 3 ring circus (keyrings).

I love the Empire 5" set. I bought Ogawa's DVD and learned the little rings from that. As for the big rings, I started with the Richard Ross routine then added moves from Cellini (and remove moves from Ross). Then I added a couple of moves from McBride.

I then added a lot of moves to my 5" Empire set.

So which do I use the most? The Empire set just because they are more convenient to carry around. I practice choreography with them and experiment with new moves. I perorm most with the 12" set.

I am just about perfecting an aerial link. I can do it about 90% of the time now. Imagine this, one ring in each hand. I toss the ring from my right hand high into the air with the broad side facing the audience (so they can see it), Then, when the ring starts to come down I spin around 360 degrees and you hear CLANG and the two rings are linked when I stop spinning.

Horrible to practice that though. I've sent rings spinning 20 feet away. Would hate to do that when an audience was there. Need more practice, a lot more.
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I m as a pro. I highly recommended Whit Haydn- comedy 4 rings vhs/dvd.
thanks whit, my clients have a fun time with it!

TS
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Whit Haydn
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Thanks, TS. It is really a kick every time I hear that my routine is being used by someone in some unexpected part of the world. I wish I had spent more time in Malaysia, but have only been there when working the cruise ships.

I hope I get to see you perform my routine some day.

All the best.
Bennie90
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Thank you but no one answered my last question Smile how much does that 10" set cost? about? 20/50/100 euros?
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rikbrooks
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I would suggest you begin your search by posting in "Trick & Events for sale or Trade". I bought my 12" set that way. There are a lot of magicians that might be persuaded to part with theirs. I heard that Linking Rings was the effect that draws more dust in closets than any other. I got my 12" rings for $70, maybe $60, I can't remember.

Other than that, there are different kinds, many different kinds. Some are aluminum. Some are hollow aluminum. Some are chrome plated. Some are solid steel. Some are hollow steel. Some of welds that are obvious and others not.

I would say that you should look to a low end of maybe $60. The high end is many hundreds. I think that's about 30 euros.
Bennie90
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Ok thanks. I searched google and found penguin magics product. http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=511
Is these good?
Just heard so much bad things about penguin magic products.
Thankyou onemore time to all of your for GREAT help again! (and fast!)

Bennie
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rikbrooks
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I don't know the quality of those rings but I do know that the price is quite good. It might be a little too good. I'm not saying that the workmanship is bad - but at that price I'm not saying that it's not.
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Bennie,

I have been performing the rings for a while but never really appriciated it as much as I have since I found Whit Haydn's 4 ring comedy routine. It is great.

I also really like Cellini's Lord & Master of the RINGS and Jeff McBrides Comando act.... Check them out if you can but I recomend you start with the BASIC's.

I have several sets of rings the I perform with. 10 inch & 12 inch. I like the 12's best. My rings are from Klamm Magic. They are nice reasonabley priced rings available at:

http://www.klamm-magic.com/cgi-bin/web_s......cart_id=


One thing I would like to mention is that when you read the adds for the rings you will hear a lot about "locking keys".
I recomend you go with the "Standard KEY" or am I suppose to say "St*nda*d k*y".
I have both but always user the S******* K**.

Is there anyone here that uses or recomends a Locking K*Y????

kOnO
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Pete Biro
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For most routines you don't want a Locker... it slows you down. However, for a certain type routine you can't beat the Joe Porper version.
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I would say start with something easier than shoots routine, if you are really that unfarmiliar with the rings then shoots routine will most likely overwhelm you, forcing you to hate the rings. I have seen this happen to too many magicians, start with vernon's symphany of the linking rings, I think that is what it is called.
Craig Ousterling
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Anyone know if Harry Anderson's ring routine is in his book 'Wise Guy'? I couldn't find the table of contents to it online.

Craig
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I would also suggest you just get a 10" set. I don't know why people do not like performing this. The rings are like coin magic the way you can free style with them. I'm a student of Chris Capehart when it comes to the linking rings. I will follow suit and suggest you get the classics too though. I have the Greater Magic Video Library tape on the linking rings. I've picked up moves from Richard Ross and Jay Marshall. I'll be getting Whit's routine this week, and I'll be looking for the others recommended here as well. Maybe it's just me, but I love playing with these. That's part of the reason I'm getting so many different routines. One, the variations are amazing. Two, after you play with them, you more than likely will begin to come up with your own moves. Having all those other routines for referrence will help ensure you don't steal someone else's move, call it your own and market a routine without giving credit. Three, THIS IS A CLASSIC OF MAGIC!!! The Chinese are still mad at the Egyptians for putting the cups and balls out a day earlier!
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I checked the book lastnight... nope. There's a breif description of what Anderson does, but not the routine.

Craig
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