I do not have Room 101 so I don't know for sure, but the ad sounds EXACTLY like Bill Tarr's BTs - EXACTLY. Word for word. I sure hope it isn't because it would be a real shame for someone like Bill to get ripped-off like that. In addition being quite unethical of dealers and distributors to sell it. I'll be interested to see how, if any, it differs from Bill's or if anyone can clear this up.

I've never heard of Bill Tarr's BT. Can you direct me to an ad?

I too would be interested in hearing about this effect, but I'm sure Luke Jermay would never knowingly rip off anyone.

It's funny you would mention this because when I reread the description I instantly came up with a way to do it using Bill Tarr's method.
Hmm?

Greg

According to the following pages from MagicTalk, the BT's are explained in Bill's Now You See It, Now You Don't Notebook p. 200. I may have to look it up when I get home...

http://www.magictalk.com/cgi-bin/reviews.cgi?read=93
http://www.magictalk.com/cgi-bin/reviews.cgi?read=125

Brandon

I think the "real shame" is posting a comment like this when you admit that you don't have Room 101.

Bill Tarr's BTs are a utility item that allows one to do plenty of amazing things and Bill Tarr's book is excellent. Greg is right that you could use it to come up with a similiar effect however it is not used in Room 101 which is an excellent effect in it's own right.

Bill Tarr's BT's are actually a variation on one of Swoger's mental gimmicks. I like the Tarr idea better, though, but it can be more difficult to conceal. The Swoger gimmick was built into the pen rather than added on. I can't recall the name of the device -- maybe Synonymental.

Hi,

Just to put the record straight. Luke’s Room 101 uses a completely different principle to Bill’s effect.

So, no you will find no Rip-Off here!

Regards

Peter Nardi

Bill Tarr's NYSINYD was the first magic book I bought. Is the "notebook" version an expanded edition with mentalism? Looks like another trip down to Hank's.

The Notebook is third in a series of NYSINYD. There is also "The Second Now You See It, Now You Don't."

Brandon

Peter.... is this effect described more accurately in the advertising than Eliminator?
Thanks!

Hi Tommid,

The effect is describe as the spectator sees it the same as Eliminator and in fact almost all magic effects. I think Eliminator is described accurately.

Peter

Re Peter and tommid ,
Im simply a humble customer but Eliminator is to me a completely different effect from the one described . I spent ages excited and wondering how the descibed trick could be achieved yet when actually saw it performed I didn't even recognise it .
This is probably the wrong topic area to discuss this and I personally love Alkazam
but I think many dealers are now happy to misdescribe tricks to fool magicians .
I don't trust any trick description now and I would spend a lot on tricks if I trusted the seller .
I only buy tricks Ive actually seen in person . At Blackpool I bought several Alkazam
tricks that were awesome . But I could have got them months ago if there was a genuine mgicians review on them .
Is this topic discussed somewhere else on this forum ?
Roki

It seems a lot of dealers also employ a certain marketing idea......
let post it on our website..."coming soon".......
for a couple of weeks
combine this with a description of the effect which could be , lets say, rather "loose" to the actual effect
and....
WOW!
we get lots of pre-orders from all the suckers that can't get genuine reviews (because it hasn't yet be released)
because they believe the trick to be better than it really (often) is
this may sound a bit harsh, and of course does not apply to every dealer that has list an effect "coming soon", but I beleive this is getting more common and is making it harder for genuine clients to find the effect they want
thank goodness for the magic Café review threads, eh!

I think if you check some of the reveiws regarding Luke lecture tour in the U.S you will see room 101 mentioned. Room 101 was one of the hits!

Regards

Peter

Who is this 'mind spy' character suddenly claiming to be Peter Nardi? Peter, why post under your regular ID, then suddenly change to using 'mind spy', but carry on using your regular ID? It makes no sense. It's obviously being done with your knowledge as the ID is still active. Perhaps you could enlighten us as someone of a suspicious mind may think that the Café is being used for underhand marketing methods here!

I've had a look through 'mind spy's previous posting and he does claim to be you (see his posting on 'Corporate Close Up' as just one example).

Russ

(sigh....)

Hi,

It is me hence I sign off with the name Peter Nardi. The reason I have two is one account was set up at my home and when I set it up I had no idea what my password was so I created a new account.

Regards

Mind Spy

Like you even had to grace that with a response Peter!

I don't know...we hear that "The Beast" or "He that walks backwards" (aka Peter Nardi) is the very embodiment of deception...could be a clever ruse to rob us of our precious humors...?!