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Ah the key to a good coin roll. It would be to not try to pull the coin over with the next finger. THe secret is to simply let gravity do the work by a tilting your hand and as the coin moves to the next crack use the next knuckle as a blocker to stop it. The rotation (or flipping of the coin) will happen automatically as the coin continues to fall in the crack between each set of fingers.
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Does anyone roll one in each hand simultaneously, around the top and then the undersides of the fingers? That would be a lovely sight!
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Todsky, Jeff McBride does that with four coins in each hand.
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On 2005-05-23 14:45, brianclementsvatua wrote:
Todsky, Jeff McBride does that with four coins in each hand.


That's just crazy!
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Crazy as it may sound but he does it. And he does it well. If you have the "Mysteries of Magic" video you can see him there doing it while being interviewed regarding sleight-of-hand.
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On 2005-05-22 10:47, todsky wrote:
Does anyone roll one in each hand simultaneously, around the top and then the undersides of the fingers? That would be a lovely sight!


This is my favorite method of rolling...it is the most graceful and rhythmic. I believe that it was a T. Nelson Downs variant.

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Glenn, do you need to be a piano player to do this? How long did it take you to go from one hand to two hands simultaneously?
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Started learning this one in High School. Practiced it whenever I had time. Now I do a coin roll when I'm nervous or anxious. After 15 years I'm STILL clunky with the roll.

It's way too much effort for a flourish.
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Here's one with the roll that I have been having fun with.

1. Coin roll a dime(US) and then c/p it while appearing to throw it away.
2. While c/p the dime coin roll a penny and then c/p it on top of the dime while appearing to throw it away.
3. While c/p the 2 coins, roll a nickel on your fingers and then c/p it on top of the dime and penney, while appearing to throw it away.
4. While c/p the 3 coins coin roll a quarter while c/p the 3 coins and then c/p it on top of the dime,penney,nickel, while appearing to throw it away.
5. While c/p the 4 coins coin roll a liberty half dollar while c/p the 4 coins and then c/p it on top of the dime,penney, nickel, and quarter, while appearing to throw it away.

6. Then do the process in reverse pulling the top coin out of the air (first the half dollar) coin roll it and put it on your close up mat. As they say with shampooing your hair... Repeat

Have fun, let me know if you use it!

I showed it to a few people at U.S. Toys Magic. I said it was just a silly "little routine" to onlookers, but they seemed to enjoy it.

Of course to lay people the size of the coins doesn't matter as it would to another magician.

I do most of my stuff for lay folks.

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Hey guys, what are your feelings on finger extention during the coin roll. In other words, do you try to keep your finger tips pointed downward while rolling, or do you hold your fingers out kinda straight? Someone recently advised me to keep my finger tips curved downward. I think I do like that better, aesthetically speaking, though I have to straighten out my fingers for a mili-second when I pull the coin under with my thumb to restart. Any advice on this?

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I keep my fingers curled in....I think it looks better.. http://www.JoeJesse.com/Videos/media/Freestyle_Battle.wmv
The beginning of the video is how I do my coin roll. I will soon have a vid of all coin rolls...variations...ect...
I also like to roll the coin simultaniously in both handz on the outside and inside of the fingers....Enjoy...ps if you don't like X.C.M don't watch....later...
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If Dredz says that's the way to go, I'd recommend you take his advice. he's one of the best coin manipulators I've ever seen.
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On 2005-05-25 11:58, todsky wrote:
Glenn, do you need to be a piano player to do this? How long did it take you to go from one hand to two hands simultaneously?

I practiced the rolls whenever I watched TV, starting in about 1967. It took me several months to go to two hands, but that could be shortened with good instruction and preparation. Remember to curl your fingers. You are initially balancing the coin on the back of your large nuckle, then the fingers (or thumb) on each side are going to teeter-totter it. Practice balancing the coin, then just raising and lowering each edge with the adjacent finger. If the backs of your fingers seem too slick, apply some SortKwik. If you have hairy nuckles, trim them...the hair is too slick and I assure you that no one will ever notice your trimmed or shaved nuckles.

I wish I could post some video, but I am not savvy to how to do that.

Persevere !

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Dredz, thanks for posting the link. Great stuff, man. You're curling your fingers down a little more than I do, and I like the effect. I'll keep working on it.

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I don't know how you can roll a coin with your fingers straight out. Jeff McBride in his World Class Manipulations video says that you should keep your hand in a somewhat very loose fist.
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Never said "straight out", just kinda straight. More so than Dredz in his video, but less so than a wave goodbye. The only time my fingers flash out for a full extention is for a split-second while pulling the coin under with my thumb in a one-hand roll. Workin on minimizing that.
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Glenn,

After using the coin roll, friend of mine suggested I pick up the piano.

It is too heavy, so I am going with the Melodica. This is a wind instrument/key board more popular back in the 60's.

Actually I will produce the small piano from silks. As part of a routine with Chanin's Coins under silk routine.(I am not sure of the correct name of this J.C. routine which has a lot of possibilities and variations)

Harris
Posted: Jun 8, 2005 11:26am
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Here's the latest coin roll exercise from the Nearly Normal One.

Start with 3 coins c/p in your hand.

Reach out and produce the one that is furthest from the palm.

Coin roll coin # 1 a few times.

When coin # 1 reaches the space between the ring and pinky, drop coin # 2 and bring it up between the thumb and index finger and begin coin rolling coin #1 and coin # 2.

Do this a few times.

When coin # 1 reaches the space between the ring and pinky, and coin # 2 is between the middle and ring finger, drop coin # 3 from c/p and bring it up between the thumb and index finger and begin coin rolling coin #1 and coin # 2 and #3.

The reverse process is not so easy!

I think of this stuff while playing with a few coins watching t.v. or in the car, while my wife is driving. It is not safe to do it when I am driving. (but....

Two liberty halfs worth by...

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If you really want to get the creative juices going you should definitely check out http://www.kainoaland.com/

He is the one of the best....
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I have been trying to do the coin roll for about a week now, and I must say I am happy with my progress, I can now do it 10 times in a row no problem when I am sitting down, but find it a little more difficult if I am standing.
Also I find it easier with a silver half doller, I think this must be because it is heavier.

Darren...
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If you perform standing then I suggest you practice standing. YOur hands are in two different positions...I am always standing while performing....So..I practice standing up....

When I used to play guitar I would practice sitting down...I was quite good sitting down. One day I tried to join a band and got myself a guitar strap. I treid playing standing up and struggled.....This is my point....

If you perform mostly sitting....Then you are on your way...I just don't want you to develope a bad habit that will be hard to fix down the road
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