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secondbaseman Loyal user Amsterdam 225 Posts |
Hello there. I got a question, and I hope that someone can help me.
I got a gimmicked 50 Euro cent coin that I use to put a cigarete through the coin. And I'm having trouble with the switching part of the coins. When I ask someone for a coin and a cigarete I switch the coins during the time when I am asking the cigarette, but after I do the trick everyone is so shocked they don't take their eyes off the coin. How can I switch the gimmicked coin back to the normal coin without them seeing it? By the way, I have the normal coin palmed in my right hand. Please help me. It's good to know I am into cards, so I am not that good in coin sleights Thanks, Niels |
r4bid Veteran user 386 Posts |
Try a bobo switch. Detailed description in Bobo's Modern Coin Magic (get this book if you don't already have it, it is great). Other switches are available in Bobo's book too.
You could of course just do a nice false transfer (finger palm or thumb palm) into your hand that has the real coin and then hand that out for inspection. |
Darrin Cook Special user 621 Posts |
Garrett Thomas has the best handling of the cigarette/pencil through coin that I have ever seen. This can be found in his video "Any Questions?" He addresses the issue that you raise --after the effect, the first suspicion of the audience is a switch. If the switch in is superclean, then there is less heat on the switch out.
Michael Ammar also has an incredible pencil through coin handling. It can be found on his "Live at the Magic Castle" tape, and in his book. Derren Brown also has solid ideas for the cigarette through coin in "Pure Effect." |
Chris S Veteran user 393 Posts |
after you pull the cigarette out of the coin, and the coin is held in spellbound position, why not just do a spellbound change with the non-gaffed coin under the pretense of 'healing' the coin to prevent any permanent holes. Use the method where you allow the displayed coin to drop back into finger palm while you replace it with the non-gaffed coin in its place. It will leave you looking very clean.
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Paul Menzel Special user Boise, Idaho 530 Posts |
Or, if you really want to play it safe, instead of actually switching the coins on your hands, toss the gaffed coin into your right hand (avoid "talking") and non-chalantly pocket the coin, immediately pretending that you just recalled that the coin was borrowed. Ditch the gaff and hand the borrowed coin back to its owner. Done quickly and smoothly, without drawing undue attention to it, this should work until you have mastered a more open switch.
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Dark Elite user 406 Posts |
You could try a shuttle pass as you hand back the original coin, which has a nice advantage of showing the hands as "empty" except for the coin your holding.
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Axman Veteran user 400 Posts |
David Williamsons routine for pencil through coin is based on the Ammar routine but has a KILLER move at the end where you literally pull the pencil straight out of the coin and hand the coin back to them. He even has the coin marked with the pencil you use BEFORE the penetration.
I'm sure Garrets routine is great but the Williamson one is almost impossible to improve upon. I'd say it is a perfect routine. His initiall switch is flawless too with a great Touch for camouflaging it. I believe it Bob Elliots "flip switch". I saw it on his international magic lecture video (Davids fabulous close up lecture) which is still the best magic video I own and I doubt that it could be topped to be honest. I have used every item on it numerous times and all the material is world class. |
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I agree with Axman, the Williamson switch and routine is tough to improve upon. But don't make up your mind about that until you've seen Garrett's switch. It fooled me, and it's sorta based on one of my moves. (only he made it more deceptive AND easier)
The switch you use will ultimately be decided by the nature of your routine. The routine you create should accomplish your goals for the piece. For example, the Derek Dingle "New Wave" routine (See Richard's Almanac) is one of the most psychologically sophisticated routines around, and involves the premise of actually showing the audience one gimmicked coin so that they will never suspect a second one. In that context, the palm-to-palm change is the ideal switch. The Williamson routine is more straightforward, and therefore benefits from a cleaner looking switch, where it appears that the coin never leaves your sight (even though it does) Whatever you decide to present, here's a bit of psychology from "the trenches": If, after switching out the gaff, you hand the spectator the coin to examine, he will suspect a switch. On the other hand, if you cleanly switch out the gaff, and place the regular coin on the table, perhaps offering the pencil or cigarette for examination instead, he will not suspect a switch and will ask to see the coin. Best of luck with it.
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CardSharp Regular user Philadelphia 105 Posts |
Perhaps if when you take the coin off the cigarette put the two coins in the same hand, and drop the real coin to the ground, and wile they all dash to inspect the coin you can slip your trick coin into your pocket or where ever. (Be sure to make it look clumsy, if it looks like you just threw it to the ground no one will follow it.)
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