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graydon
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Has this been done before??



If, for example, you had a blackboard with the numbers one to one hundred on it, and the audience called out objects which were then written beside the numbers as per giant memory, but instead of performing the memory routine, you ask someone to think of a number, note its object and then try to mentally transmit it to you. Would they think you just remembered the hundred objects or would it look like mind reading?



I have been thinking about this for a while.



You could have various members call out numbers and try and transmit the object to you instead of rhyming off all one hundred ala giant memory. Maybe you would only receive about ten of the objects before tiring??



Please tell me your opinions. Is this a crazy idea??



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Well, as a memory demonstration it makes sense. As a feat of telepathy, I’m not so sure -- if you can sense what the participant is trying to send you, why do you need the list? Why can’t they just think of something and have you divine it?



To add the list only complicates things, I think, and makes it move from a feat of mindreading to a cute trick. Whether you memorize it or otherwise, to the audience the fact that you have the list implies that there’s something special about it that helps you do what you do. And if there’s something special about the list, then there’s the hint of a method, and you lose legitimacy.



"Then again", as Dennis Miller says, "that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong..."



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As far as a method it might work but the audience must not know that you have seen the list. If you could have a bunch of people draw pictures on a piece of paper and you have the envelopes or whatever mentally numbered and using some method (one ahead perhaps) to find out what was written and memorize them with the number you could ask any of the people to think of the object and divine it.



How about this? Have several mentalism clipboards with a peice of paper divided into as many rectangles as there are seats in a row. Give the clipboards to the first person in, say, 4 or 5 rows all together vertically and have each person draw a picture or write a word/phrase in a box (starting with the upper left and going right and down) passing the clipboard to their left after drawing. The last person on the row could be handed an envelope and the paper would be folded and sealed in the envelope and signed where it would be in full view the entire time. Later in the show, after the clipboards are memorized (maybe perform this after an intermission getting the drawings before intermision), any person could be chosen and after a quick count to see what number they are, the divination could occur.



What do you think? I believe that the envelopes would have to be opened to show the audience at the end. Otherwise writing them all down wouldn’t seem logical. If you could have them written on an overhead transperancy you can project them for all to see. It would also prove that the papers were not switched and that they were really in the envelopes.



Just a thought. What do you think?



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Doing it this way adds in the memorization miracle in the technique. Because of the need to memorize a lot of images in a short amount of time it would seem to prove that you could not have known all of them ahead of time which forces them to believe you had to have some way of learning what was written after the person was chosen. But since you didn’t look at the envelope or clipboard, didn’t have anyone giving you signals, no ear pieces or transmitting devices of any kind, the only way you could receive the information is by mind reading. Everything is disproven, and the method is seemingly disproven by the fact that you would have to have memorized a lot of images in a short amount of time.



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Hi,

I have something that I have used for quite a while now in cabaret, it ties in with this topic. However, it is due for publication on the Connoisseur Conjuring website soon and I assured Richard the site owner that I would not give the routine elsewhere before he puts it up. without giving the full routine I use memorization to make an impromptu stacked deck, have say 20 or 30 blank file cards and have spectators call out objects and you write one on each card placing it to the bottom once it is written on (actually remembering them secretly as you write them)

once you have written all of them you have a stacked deck of file cards and you can do any of the miracles that you would normally do with a stack

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My question is what are you trying to do?

A giant memory or a telepathy effect?

Don’t you think that trying to combine the two in the manner you describe distracts from each of them. Further, and I do not mean this to be facitious, but, by the time you get the 100 items written on the board, you will have eaten up the time allocated for your show to say nothing of the audience being bored to tears.



If you wish to demonstrate memorization as a power of the mind, then do a giant memory routine. If you wish to demonstrate a sixth sense then do a telepathy routine; however, what you came up with demonstrates what we should all be doing in the Art of Mentalist-Creative Thinking!



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Friends,



Regarding memory routines....does anyone know what is the latest on mneumonic performance? Who is performing memory acts and how are they being received? Is there anything new and interesting in print?



Other than Corinda's "Mnuemonics and Mental Systems", Fulves' "Self-Working Number Magic", and some brief mentions in Lotrayne's "Memory Book" and O'Brien's "Learn to Remember", I have not found any instructional work on mneumonic performance.



I have several of the many books on memory systems, but these are general works not based on performance.



I am quite interested in this form since people readily accept it as the real thing. I'd think that if you can do the giant memory with 100 items, then do it! And save the psychic trickery till later in the act.



Does anyone have information on memory acts?



In good spirit,



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This premise works very well if presented properly.

I posted on another bulletin board (a very private one) my routine for telepathy with a magazine. It included using the magazine memory as a telepathy stunt. Basically that part was: they look at the page called out and they think of it. You describe their thoughts. Of course there were a lot of other ideas as well and I might put it in a book at some point so will not go into much more detail here.

The only problem I see with the board test is the fact you will have to find a way to make it not look like memory. For instance, if you could somehow have the numbers selected in a way you supposedly would not know the numbers. Now we are talking mind reading. Because of they just called out the number, it may look very much like memorization, then maybe not. I guess my thought is if you could really read minds, why have them write them down.

Thinking about it, I would not mention the numbers at first. Just ask for objects and write them in. This way the association of numbers to the items to the audience is hidden at first. Then later you could have the numbers called out. This might hide the number association a little better.
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I believe that in the seventies illusionist Reveen... who called himself Reveen the Impossiblist... I think in his stage show he did a giant memory portion including the Knight's Tour and from what I remember it was suppose to be a big hit. I seem to recall hearing he had a giant board behind him with squares that were numbered and then people would either call out an object or a card and say what number they wanted it in... he would then proceed to call out the whole board backwards and fowards. Finally, he would ask for people to call out either a number or an object and he would supply what connects to it. Reveen is Lance Burton's manager so I'm sure someone could get a hold of him to get the exact facts. I know in the mid-seventies he was on the cover of Genii where they explained a bit about his illusion show.
Personally, I think including memory stunts or mathematical stunts helps to heighten your supposed brain power. Marc Salem used to start his show with the Magic Square and I saw the audiences ooh and awe as each box connection was shown... and this effect did not hinder the rest of his show that was strictly mentalism.
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Speaking of the Knight's Tour... what have people found to be the best way to present this effect to an audience?

And has anyone had any luck performing this for children?
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On 2001-12-20 20:53, graydon wrote:
Has this been done before??



If, for example, you had a blackboard with the numbers one to one hundred on it, and the audience called out objects which were then written beside the numbers as per giant memory, but instead of performing the memory routine, you ask someone to think of a number, note its object and then try to mentally transmit it to you. Would they think you just remembered the hundred objects or would it look like mind reading?



I have been thinking about this for a while.



You could have various members call out numbers and try and transmit the object to you instead of rhyming off all one hundred ala giant memory. Maybe you would only receive about ten of the objects before tiring??



Please tell me your opinions. Is this a crazy idea??



Graydon


I perform this memory stunt often at school actually. Thanks to Harry Lorayne's book.

Now, I have an idea of a mentalism approach for this:

Before the feat, I would present an envelope in full-view - being hung on the ceiling ( Sounds familiar? Smile )
I then ask everyone to name any object that comes first to mind and write it beside any number that they like.
Then I would proceed in doing the feat: Reciting all objects in numerical order. Naming out an object that corresponds with a called-out number, so on and so forth...
Then I would proceed saying, "Being able to memorize those myriad of objects INSTANTLY is cool eh? Imagine. Instantly. Or is it? Do you really think I memorized all of them under a minute or so? Do really think that I memorized all of them as you named it only ONCE? Or could I have memorized it last night before I gone to bed...Yes, last night. A day before everyone of you walked into this room. A day before you even thought of an object. A day before you even thought to think of any object. [asks an audience member to open the envelope to disclose a list of objects that matches everything written in the board. ]. Foresight? Influence? *smile*. Hope you enjoyed the feat folks!"

Well, that's the basic premise. Havent built a solid script for it.


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In my experience people are impressed and entertained enough by memory in itself, especially if it is amazing and beyond what they believed possible. But if you frame it as mind reading and they catch a whiff of memory, then the response is "oh well, he just memorized them," while they may still be impressed, they are slightly put off by the attempt to trick them, and it lessens the effect. People are not patient however, I would never attempt to write 100 things from the audience unless that was the only effect I was to perform. As for memory work in print? if you have a system that works for you then you have all you need. Be creative and make your own presentation.
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The problem with doing a memory effect is that after doing one, you are known as a memory expert. IMHO this would spoil your credibility as a mentalist or a magician.
I.E Most of your follow up effects would be labeled as just memory tricks.
Memory effects are truly amazing but they are a different category all together.
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I often do a memory demo and then a card effect directly after using Juan T's set up and two and two are never put together. It is all in how you present it. But, if you begin with something that is honest and genuine they do not question the validity of what comes next.
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