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Paul D
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This is my presentation for card warp it came to me when I was reading stories from the bible. This presentation is excellent for story magic and a nice story for any performer. This is the presentation without any of the secrets...and God created man...(Fold the king card sideways).... and that he should not be alone, God created Woman...(Fold queen card lengthwise)...to be his helpmate, and stand beside him...(The queen card is inserted into king card)...but, Adams first wife was not Eve. Man’s first partner was Lilith! Adam depended on her for survival-and for comfort...(The cards are folded in the inside out move)...However, in Lilith, God also created Deception! For she was the worlds first sorceress as well. (The cards are set on spectators flat hand like a stage)...She was a creature of mystery and duplicity, her actions not always to be trusted...(The card is pushed up and down, showing the reversals twice)...Accounts of ancient scholars vary, as to Lilt’s fate, stories say she was banished to the desert, some that she wed Cain, and some say she lives on in every woman...(The cards are folded back and forth and then torn in two)...But scholars do agree, Lilith well prepared Adam for his life partner, the woman Eve!...(The card halves are left for the spectators to examine). And that is my current presentation for card warp my old presentation involved the 4th dimension the unknown and the mysteries that surround it. I hope you all enjoy this presentation.
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Please forgive me if I'm being dense, but I don't get it.

Is one card man and the other woman? Which woman? What does the tearing in half symbolize?

How does the effect illustrate what you're talking about in the story? How does the story strengthen the effect?
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Just a question, but where do you guys get all these mythological stories?

Its all very interesting. Can these presentations or similar ones be found in capriconian tales or sheherzade?

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Lilith, female demon of Jewish mythology, originally probably the Assyrian storm demon Lilitu. In Talmudic tradition many evil attributes were given to this supposedly nocturnal creature. In Jewish folklore she is a vampirelike child-killer and the symbol of sensual lust. Of the various legends connected with her, the one making her Adam's first wife is the strongest. Lilith appears in the Walpurgis Night section of Goethe's Faust and is discussed in Bernard Shaw's Back to Methuselah.


Lilith is known as a Mesopotamian night demon with a penchant for destroying children and spilling the seed of men. She is also sometimes thought of as the first wife of the Biblical Adam. The Burney Relief, of Sumerian or Assyrian origin and dating from c.1950BC, was, until very recently, commonly thought to depict her; many believe there to be a connection between Lilith and Inanna, Sumerian Goddess of war and sexual pleasure.


Lilith in mythology
Various versions of the Lilith myth exist; Hieronymus associated Lilith with the mythical Greek Lamia, a Libyan queen who mated with Zeus. After Zeus abandoned Lamia, Hera stole Lamia's children, and Lamia took revenge by stealing other women's children.

Her original name in Akkadian was "Lilitu," which in that language means "wind". In Akkadian mythology she belonged to the same class of demons as Lilu, Ardat Lili and Idlu Lili. The transliteration from the Hebrew is "ìéìéú" may be as "Lilith," "Lillith," or "Lilit". Some myths credit Lilith as the mother of all vampires.


for more info see... http://www.answers.com/topic/lilith
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Paul D
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Thanks Mya that might have cleared up some things.
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Have you ever had any overly devout people offended by mixing biblical story and jewish myth? If so, what was their response and your reply? I like the merge but think I might have problems with others here in the Bible Belt.

Thanks for sharing.
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Wepinwill -

Remember, Jesus wasn't a Christian, he was Jewish. The books in the Old Testament are all Jewish books. The first five books of the Christian Bible are the books which comprise the Jewish Torah. This is why you often hear the term "Judeo-Christian" (though I have Jewish friends who don't like that term).

Christianity is a faith based on Judaism and Jewish traditions. Apocryphal tales and legends like those of the character Lilith contain powerful imagery, but don't necessarily fit in the traditional models held by the mainstream views of conventional Christian and Jewish organizations.

I only write this because I am amused by your distinction between "biblical story" and "jewish myth". This is an alternate story about the origin of man and woman. It's not the one in the Bible or the Torah, but it comes from the same cultural tradition. One story was picked as being the "official" one for the Big Book, but they are both Jewish in origin.
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Even in "Jewish tradition" Lilith is considered to belong to "Jewish mythology" Smile

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Thanks for the idea... I have been trying to find a Christian patter trick for a card effect for some time. thanks

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That's a particularly good tale Mya. I wish I knew more about the Card Warp effect, but perhaps I'll get to see it sometime and I can imagine your patter with it.

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On 2005-07-21 12:09, Tigerrune wrote:
That's a particularly good tale Mya. I wish I knew more about the Card Warp effect, but perhaps I'll get to see it sometime and I can imagine your patter with it.

-Ricky Strange-


Rickey, contact Vinny on the Café. He has a nice version of card warp that includes a torn and restored effect. Another Café member, Wes James has a card warp that ends with making an impossible object you give away. Smile
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Lillith is part of both Jewish and Christian tradition. She is eluded to in Genesis 1:27 — "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he them; male and female created he them both" This is written before Genesis 2:22 where God creates Eve from Adams rib.

In Christian mysticism Lillith is decribed as Adams first wife who rejected him because of the submissive role she was asked to take. An 8th to 11th century work called The Alphabet of Ben-Sira goes on to tell the tale of how Lillith left the Garden and mated with demons she found around the Red Sed. Many consider her offspring to be the dwarves, elves, faries and other-worldly creatures. Adam even asked God to bring her back into the garden and three angels were sent to escort her back. Lillith refused and the angels threatened to kill 100 of her children for every day she refused to come back. Lillith then threatened to "take" all of the descendants of Adam and Eve for all eternity, the only talisman against this curse are the names of the three angels, Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof.
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While the two verses, Genesis 1:27 are not chronologically overlaid in the text, it is simply not good Biblicial exegesis to say that Littith is alluded to in 1:27 and the act of creation described in 1:27 does not include Eve.

You are taking msyticism (or someone else did and you are parroting them) of hundreds, even thousands of years ago, and just because it makes a reference to Christian beliefs calling it "Christian mysticism". Mysticism involving Jewish beliefs and/or Christian beliefs can not rightfully be called "Jewish msyticism" or "christian mysticism" just because non beleivers allowed and propogated these beliefs and labeled them so. Even if some believers, Jewish or Christian, might have also supported some of these beliefs, it remains improper to lable them as "Christian" or "Jewish" when the mainstreams of faith in both religions have never supported these ridiculous ideas.

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Lilith appears to be of Babylonian origin (as are a lot of the other myths and legends that appear in Genesis). At least that is the oldest documentation we have of her. She appears in Gilgamesh.

a dragon had built its nest at the foot of the tree
the Zu-bird was raising its young in the crown,
and the demon Lilith had built her house in the middle

Even though she is generally associated with Jewish Folklore she does make a small appearance in the Christian bible in Isaiah 34:14f

Wildcats shall meet with hyenas,
goat-demons shall call to each other;
there too Lilith shall repose,
and find a place to rest.
There shall the owl nest
and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow
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