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Hey Song New user 88 Posts |
Yesterday, I was preforming magic for some people as usual, I include either Kings Rising or Baliducci in my preformance. I thought about which one I should do and then ended up doing Baliducci. Another person joined the crowd the second I went up and immediatly shouted out how I did the trick. It ruined the trick since the other people were amazed. This guy also continued to say how he "invented" the trick, which I knew he didn't. I then asked him if he invented it, why did he expose it. He didn't reply. I told him that if he wanted to see a real levitation, try this. I then did Kings Rising and had all of them baffeled. I saw a can lying on the ground, a coke can to be exact. I then preformed Healed and Sealed for them. He didn't believe the can was full when I gave it to him and he drank it, I realized how I was making a comeback on these people.
Right now, the best levtation is Elevator. Magicians should not even try to do Baliducci anymore, really thanks to David Blaine. Ever since David started doing it, it was exposed. Now exposure is crazy now. We as magicians should protect this, but how? |
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
I was standing around the other day and someone said "Can you levitate" to which I always reply "Yes, but I'm very tired now, yada yada yada" the point is, someone else standing there said, look I can, and proceeded to do the balducci (however she raised the wrong foot, which was amusing). I would suggest if you're going to do levitations, use a gimmick, because they're not exposed the way the balducci is.
Side Note: If you go to a high school, you only need to levitate ONE time for a group of small people. The reputation will follow you. People will say "He's amazing, he can levitate" except if they ask you, just say "no" but they will believe you can anyway from the hype. It's amazing how word gets around. |
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Jeremy L. Special user 800 Posts |
The Balducci is good if you are doing a video because you can choose the best angle. So you could make a DVD of you doing different levitations and carry copies everywhere and when you get asked "Can you levitate?" you give them the DVD.
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Paul D Elite user NY 455 Posts |
The only way to protect it is to use different methods each time you rise from the earth.
Astonishment as Therapy...?
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Hey Song New user 88 Posts |
One day, awhile ago before TLC started aring "Street Magic" I levitated for a lot of people and they coulden't beleieve it. One guy even followed me around for a whole week begging to know the secret. I then, later gave him a book on physics of gravity and flight, he still has the book and hasn't figured it out today. Most of the people I did it to then now know it due to the exposure, and for now on, I will probobly get and use a gimmick.
Which is better: Wild Levitation or Zero Gravity Give me some pros and cons. |
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nitram Veteran user London U.K. 308 Posts |
A little advice about the Balducci, I use it sparingly and not in large crowds. Just show one eager person and soon everyone will know what a great magician you are as they will tell someone else.
When baited by someone who knows how it is done, I ask them to demonstrate it. They usually fail or shut up. I also never 'bite' on someone else's comments as most people take a wild stab at the answer, hoping that you will tell them the secret. Lastly, If I get the 'you did....' reply, I turn around and do the The Elevator. This clearly shows both feet off the ground from the front without any cover as with kings rising. Regards Nitram |
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mc_magi Special user Vancouver, BC 949 Posts |
Also, you should be able to gage the person's knowledge on magic tricks by the tricks you perform before you do balducci levitation. I never start my repatoire with balducci and only perform when small group of people who are considered the "perfect laymen" ask me to perform. the word DOES get around and soon people will be talki about it. all you need to say is that you are too tired to do it and show them something else. nothing too bad there.
the exposures, ah. they've been going around since the magic began. there are two types of exposures though, the healthy ones and the unhealthy ones. (haha) both of them benefit the magic community in some way in that it forces us to come up with new methods to fool the socks off the spectators. the more educated about magic the spectator is, the more perfect and innovating our tricks have to be. However, the unhealthy one is heck of an annoyance, especially if you get caught at the wrong moment. healthy exposures, on the other hand, are needed. I mean without any type of exposures, how would we ever know magic? its somethin that's been happening from long before. we should just accept the fact and live with it. after all, its not about screts of the trade, its about the way they are put together to present certain illusions. biggest example of this, penn and teller. their shows of "exposures" didn't do any lasting harm. or any harm at all. magicians fooled the audiences with the exact same sleights that were "exposed" right after the show anyways. |
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Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
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On 2005-05-01 13:49, Hey Song wrote: Not sure if this is off topic or not, but as far as the can goes...was it a "plant"? Glad you won back your audience with some fast thinking; hecklers are both hard and dangerous to deal with. Many an audience has been lost when the magician went overboard trying to upstage a “pain in the rear” spectator. MM
"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret... You want to be fooled." - The Prestige (2006)
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Mr_Matthew_Charles New user United Kingdom 33 Posts |
The Balducci is just common knowlegde at my school, it has been for years. its just one of thsoe random little things people seem to know. when you use a gimmic though, the look on peoples faces, priceless
If you don't have enimies then you don't have character
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daz222 Elite user Wales 439 Posts |
I was just going to bring up what was brought up two posts above me, you didn't do an impromtu healed and sealed did you? it was a p***t wasnt it?
I work in my dads and mine shop, and we have a security camera, I done the Balducci for a bunch of peo-ple and they were jumping up and down and everything else, and now when people ask me if I can do it for them, I just show them the tape!! it is amazing! if you can get some footage of you off a camera maybe on a street corner somewhere near you, it would be really handy! daz |
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CyberZiggy New user 39 Posts |
Hey Song -
What folks are wanting to know is - did you just happen to see a coke can on the ground or did you already have it there intentionally? Also - was the can truly full (or partially full) when you gave it to him? |
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Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
Thanks "CyberZiggy"- that's exactly what I was referring to when I asked about the can being a "plant". I’m interested to hear the detail's regarding the "preparation" needed to do this effect and how the whole thing worked out.
MM
"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret... You want to be fooled." - The Prestige (2006)
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Hey Song New user 88 Posts |
I did have the can planted there but didn't really plan on useing it. Back when I started doing the Baliducci, I showed several people at a time. I kept overhearing conversations like "He can't levitate" "No, he does but only for like 3 seconds." "All he is doing is jumping!" I would then track these people down and show them. That was back when it was not known. Now it is known and it only takes one person to spread the secret.
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daz222 Elite user Wales 439 Posts |
Thanks for clearing that up, CyberZiggy that's what I meant too! it is about time a new way to levitate was thought of! that sounds really wierd but it is... maybe.......
daz |
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Jeremy L. Special user 800 Posts |
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On 2005-05-02 08:46, Mr_Matthew_Charles wrote: That's SAD! Why do people have to go around telling how effects work? |
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Hey Song New user 88 Posts |
I don't know why people tell the secrets to tricks. It is so common and we are all getting destroyed because of it. I once gave a lecture to a group of people about magic and the exposures (They had exposed some of my tricks). One of them then stood up and said "Well why are you trying to trick us? What about that guy you mentioned that walked through the Great Wall of China, only God can do that." It is like when a person can't explain a trick that David Blaine does and accuses him of being the Devil. In other news, today, somebody showed me a great visual trick where you swallow a pencil.
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
I used to do the Balducia 10 years ago ... I personally don't know why anyone would be doing it today, unless they want to be marked a copy cat.
When people ask me if I saw David Blaine levitate, I say "yes, it was really kewl wasn't it?" ... they'll usually ask how he did it, get a smart answer and I move on. The last thing I want people thinking about when I am doing magic is another magician. So I say let the public have the levitation - so they have "palming a coin", "done with mirrors", and "standing on your tippy toe". That's more than enuff for them. But seriously, why would you be doing a trick someone else has already done on TV - and done it better than you ever could? JoeJoe
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Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
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On 2005-05-02 15:57, Hey Song wrote: That was good thinking if you had planned on using the effect as a “get out of audience trouble free” effect. Even if you didn’t it sounds like it really worked- smart thinking. The nice thing about that effect is that it’s strong because it’s an every day object that no one suspects. I have the effect but haven’t done it in the past. After reading your “use” of it I plan on finding a way to have it ready for future performances. Quote:
On 2005-05-02 22:30, JoeJoe wrote: I think that comment is (and has been) open for debate; or has someone already killed that horse and resurrected it a few times? Let’s think of how many camera angles and editing Blaine had to use for his special. Needless to say no one gets the kind of reaction he did on EVERY TRICK or effect preformed because in real life not everyone is “totally amazed & awestruck”. So to make his magic look AMAZING editing and Memorex WAS the key. Allot of us were doing the levitation long before old D.B. decided to do it on TV, and it still kills today if you get a group that has never seen it done before. I personally like “Hey Songs” idea of using Kings Rising (or another) as an “encore performance”. Technically it’s a totally different method which kicks people in the pants who thought you were on your toes. I think that if used cautiously and properly it could be one heck of an effect. In closing if you aren’t going to do any magic that has been preformed on TV you aren’t really left with much that you can do. I have close to 60 different TV magic specials in my library and let me tell you pretty much everything has been done, not to mention that most of it was done better than if we had preformed it. ;) MM
"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret... You want to be fooled." - The Prestige (2006)
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chrisrkline Special user Little Rock 965 Posts |
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On 2005-05-02 22:30, JoeJoe wrote: But isn't it the point? I mean, to be a copy cat? Seriously, 90% of the people who do these impromptu levitations do them because they saw Blaine do them. Levitations have to be one of the worst "bang for the buck" effects that you can do. Why don't you see levitations, at least these kinds, discussed much on the other forums. If this were really the great effect it is made out to be, you would think buskers would do it more. Doing this with a controlled crowd should be a snap. The trouble is that levitations are far too easy to screw up. Levitations can kill when done correctly, but I suspect that the effect is ruined far more often than it is done effectively. If I had a card effect that I ruined (or the crowd ruined) ten percent of the time, I would quit doing it today. I imagine that most impromptu levitations are messed up far more than ten percent of the time. That is unaceptable in a professional situation. It is just too hard to do well impromptu and requires a dedication and patience that is lacking in most newer magicians.
Chris
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
Blaine did not cause the Balducci to become well known as to method. What he did do was interest lots of magicians to go out and perform it unrehearsed and poorly. That is what causes exposure.
Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
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