This time, I really need a help to improve one of my current routine.

During the routine I make a psychologigal force that allows me to have a miracle 9/10 but I will ask you how to fill the 1 / 10.

I describe the problem :
When my psychological force has failled, I end with 4 to 7 pieces of papers (they can be fold or crumpled, as you want...) with a little drawing made by spectators on each. One of this drawing is the one I want to force to a particular spectator.

Can you give me advices for a 100 % success force which could look like a miracle too (a really pure force).

Understand me, I know a many forces and I tried a lot of technics to answer this problem. Most of the spectators seem to be fooled by these technics I tried, but I'm not complitely satisfied because none of these technics are pure enought.



In fact, I'm looking for something like that : I have this 4 to 7 pieces of paper, the spect take one of this pieces, and it's the one I wanted to force.



I hope you will help me.

If your answer can include a technic, don't hesitate to PM me or to follow this thread in the Secret Session.

Thank you very much,

Cendre:
Have you considered the Equivoque? You probably have, but I thought I'd mention it just in case---

Yes, in fact I built an equivoque force patter especially for this case (with another psychological force for the choice of the good billet). And I must admit that there is no real problem with that.

So why do I ask for another method ?
To learn...
To learn a more direct way to make a spectators choose the billet.

As I said I'm looking for a :
"Take a billet"... and it's the good one.

Because, when I make the spect choose the billet, if the psychological force fails... It's no more a direct choice of the spectator. It's an equivoque choice and I'm not really satisfied by that, that's all.

Billet switch?

4 billets in a row. Point to the two ends with patter about choosing one of the four. Have one of the middle billets slightly forward (out of line with the others). This will get the middle one (in line) chosen more times than not.

Have your writing tablet close by. Lay the billets on the table side by side. Have the participant slide out any billet. Reach out with your writing tablet like a tray and have him place the billet upon it.

On the tablet you have small dab of wax. You get the billet onto the wax. Tilt the tablet up as if to slide the billet into a wine glass. From a small hollow cut out from between the sheets of paper at the bottom of the tablet out slides the hidden force billet.

Lay the tablet aside.

Hope that helps.
Ted (Leondo)

Try the PATEO force. It seems fair and above board, but the final billet is the one you want to force.

I secound the Pateo. I use it often.
Most magically yours,
WR

The PATEO force is an excellent idea for use with this. Now granted this is a shameless plug but I do carry one of the best books on the verbal force titled "The Equivoque Choice" by Jack Dean. It contains the PATEO force as well as many others and is the definitive work on the subject.

Another idea for you to use would be a clear change bag. The best one to use is manufactured by Carlyle and it appears and is a clear zip lock bag. All the papers can be handled and seen as different. You zip the bag closed and toss it to your participant and when they open the bag and take a slip, it is the one you want forced. The best part is that you do not handle the bag when they make their selection. I cannot recommend this item enough, and it sounds like it would fit your needs perfectly.

PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
http://www.stores.ebay.ca/Abstagecraft

I second that opinion. Either use a tip or a simple sleight to accomplish it.

Paradox,Philemon Vanderbeck,Codex Reader, leondo, Larry Becker, WR, Thoughtreader and Alan Munro :

A big thank you !



It's funny because, when I try to give a tip to someone on the forum, many ideas from my magical knowlegde come to my mind... but a soon as it's something I want to put in my own magic stories it's more difficult.

Maybe it's because we all search a kind of "perfection" in our work : we want more than all the wonderful tools that already exist.

Your advices worth all to be tested and adapted to fit to my story.

I will work and find among them the best for my kind of story.


Thank's again !

See you soon,

Paul,

Could you tell me of any dealer who supply the Carlyle clear force bag. I don't seem to be able to find on advertised.

Thanks

Scott

Scott,
No dealer sells those change bags, only Caryle does as he makes them by hand. Private me if you want his contact information and I will put you in touch with him. These bags are the Rolls Royce of clear change bags.
PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
http://www.stores.ebay.ca/abstagecraft

Hey, Scott! You may wish to check this;

http://www.magic.co.uk/magic/M8625.html

From the ad.;

Transparent Change/Force Bag
You explain to your audience that whenever a mgaician picks up a pack of cards, the audience becomes suspicious that you might manipulate them, so you have an absolutely fair way of having cards chosen without you touching the cards at all. You show that the deck of cards has been dropped into an absolutly transparent bag. All the faces are clealy visible through the plastic. You turn the bag around and show all the backs of the cards - and than ask a spectator to reach inside the bag and pull out the first card touched. He does so, concentrates on its identity, and you immediately name it! A basic accessory that can be used in any effect that requires something to be forced upon the spectator, whether it be a card, coin with a certain date, the name of a person on a piece of paper, or a lottery ticket. The transparency of the bag makes everything look above board, but it actually hides the secret.


Frank.

Looks very nice bag for force, anyone have used it?

It is still NOT as good as Caryle's as the bag you have read about must be handled by the performer, Caryle's is tossed to the participant to make their selection which negates the idea of the performer influencing the choice.
PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
http://www.stores.ebay.ca/abstagecraft

Thanks Paul,

I have PM'd you this is what I am looking for as I have used both bought and homemade clear force bags for years but have never been happy with having to keep the bag in my own hands.

Thanks again.

Scott