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ibraa New user United Kingdom 51 Posts |
I like Looch's performance on his DVD, where in one part of the routine he memorised a deck.
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts |
If you're concerned about forgetting the stack through non-use, there are ways to help you. When you're driving down the road, look at street signs, mile markers, license plates, etc...convert the numbers you see into cards in your stack. Really helps solidify things and helps pass those long commutes.
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todsky Inner circle www.magicstore.ca 2354 Posts |
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On 2012-03-01 03:38, Josh Chaikin wrote: Unfortunately (or fortunately!) I don't have long commutes.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Although I can't speak to Joyal's stack I can give a wholehearted recommendation for Doug Dyment's Quick(er)Stack. The original QuickStack is based on a simple set of rules that you can use to determine a card at a stack number or vice-versa. I've fully memorized this stack and am very comfortable knowing that I can always fall back on the stack rules if my memory gets rusty with disuse.
Those that have used the successor to QuickStack, known appropriately as QuickerStack, claim that it is a definite improvement over the original system. (As I've already memorized the original stack I have no need to learn the new one.) Having always been impressed with Dyment's stuff I'm sure QuickerStack is a keeper. You can read more about it here: http://www.deceptionary.com/quickerstack.html
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Run through the stack once a day. That's all I needed to keep the stack fresh.
As a matter of fact I'm now running through the stack twice a week. Still keeps the stack fresh in my mind.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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mindexplorer New user 58 Posts |
On the Dennis Loomis website is an item called Mary Mowder’s Memorized Deck Solitaire. It describes how to play solitaire based on stack numbers rather than card values or color. Great practice and sets your deck up in your memorized order if you complete the round. You can change the rules since the idea is more to reinforce learning the stack rather than winning at solitaire.
I like to use the cards at position 1, 14, 27 and 40 as you would normally use aces. only to build stacks on instead of suits. |
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AdamChance Special user 656 Posts |
I was watching osterlind's mind mysteries 2 the other day. he has a way of telling what card comes next in the deck (so he doesn't have to memorize the whole deck, just the mathematical formula that determines the next card).
so I want to try a routine where I have an Invisible Deck and the arranged deck sitting on the table. the spectator selects a card in the arranged deck by cutting to it... then they put this card upside down in the middle of the deck. I then name the spectator's chosen card. this is just the effect from the DVD. then I want to take it to the next level by then saying "i knew you were going to choose that card all along" and show them that their chosen card was upside down in the invisible deck the whole time. so this will pack a double punch. because the basic effect where you name their card is pretty spectacular by itself. but then if I bring in the invisible deck, it will look like I knew what card the spectator choose before they even selected it. I think it's a perfect way to use the invisible deck. I just watched the DVD last night... so I haven't tried the trick out yet... but I think it'll kill !!! has anyone else done this? is this a well known trick? or am I the first one to think to combine these two effects together? |
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mindexplorer New user 58 Posts |
I don't know if the combination has been mentioned before but I wouldn't be suprised. Others here will be better able to answer that.
Using the BCS, you would know their card so you could reveal the invisible card first as a card you turned over earlier in the evening, then ask how they knew what card you would turn over and spread the BCS deck and show the card turned over to match the one in the invisible deck. This might have the advantage of making it look more like they did the magic. It also puts the focus on the BCS pack last, which can stand inspection or even be used in another trick. |
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AdamChance Special user 656 Posts |
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On 2012-04-23 17:59, mindexplorer wrote: ya, that's a good idea. I guess there are a lot of ways it could be performed. it might be fun to have the spectator put the card in their pocket without looking... then reveal the 1 down card in the ID... then they pull the card out of their pocket as the finally. but I think I like the idea of getting 2 magic effects out of the trick... I'm just trying to think of a way to present it so that there is some sort of explanation for what's happening. I'm thinking I'll present the trick like: "this is one of those tricks where if you follow the directions precisely, you get an amazing card trick. I'm still not sure how it works, but it always seems to work everytime". [so you're basically setting it up like a mathmatical card trick or something to ensure that they follow your directions with the BSC deck and to provide some sort of explanation as to why they're going through these steps with cutting the deck rather than just turning over one card.] I'll demonstrate with a green deck of cards how the card should be selected and turned over. I'll say "step 1, take cards out of the pack", "step 2, fan through the cards until you find a card you like" "step 3, cut the card to the front" "step 4, put this card face down, into the middle of the face up deck". I'll be facing backwards, demonstrating with my green deck over my shoulder. then I turn around, tell them to put the deck in the case. then I'll put my hand over the deck and say that I'm supposed to just pick up on the vibrations or something... then reveal that I knew their card. then for the ID deck part... I can say "this deck was sitting here the whole time, no one touched it" (or I could even have someone holding it throughout the whole trick). I'll say "now, that first part of the trick I really don't understand, but I seemed to pick up on the vibrations of the card... but this second part of the trick is the part that really confuses me. before the trick started, I closed my eyes, and turned one card face down. Now, I don't know what card I turned over, but for some reason, it always seems to be the card that the other person selects. it's super strange because I turned the card over even before you picked your card... and I don't even know what the card is because I didn't look, so I couldn't have influenced you to pick your card. but for some reason, maybe because of some cosmic energy or something, it's always the same card." then reveal the face down card in the ID. if there's a better way to present the trick and better patter to use, I'd love to hear it. I guess a simpler way to present it would be to have kind of a cocky attitude and when they picked their card and put the deck back in the box... just say "oh, you picked the eight of clubs" (or whatever their card is). they'll be like "wow, how did you know that"... then I'll say "i knew you were going to pick that card before you even selected it". you can say something funny like "i knew what card you were going to pick even before you knew what card you were going to pick" they'll be like "no you didn't, maybe you saw the card somehow, but you couldn't have known what card I was going to pick before I picked it". then as proof that you knew what card they were going to turn upside down... you should them the ID with their selected card as the only one face down. but I think this trick could be super powerful if presented correctly. it would be very difficult to figure out because even if you think you suspect one of the methods, it's hard to figure out both methods that are used. someone might think 'oh, maybe he peaked at the cards somehow, or he has a friend around giving him a signal or a camera hooked up or something'. so they'll figure that it must be something like that (which in a way, it is sorta)... but then when they see that their card is the only one that is face down in a pack of cards that has been sitting in the person's pocket during the whole trick... how do they even begin to rationalize that? maybe they could think like "oh, he flipped it over really quickly"... but now for someone to rationalize it... it means that the magacian peaked at a card under conditions that would make that virtually impossible... and he has to have the skill to flip over a card in a deck without me seeing it. at that point, even a sceptic would have to think "how did he make me choose that card... because I really did have a very free choice" also, this trick is pretty easy to do... and all you need is a normal deck and an ID. |
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mindexplorer New user 58 Posts |
I think the best presentation will be the one you feel best about and gets you the best reaction. If you are going to go with the procedural presentation you could have the steps written down (ala Daryl) or even on a recording. This opens up new avenues for who is giving the instructions, where they came from, etc..
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uri New user Israel 95 Posts |
This is very similar to Darwin Ortiz's "You do as I did" from At the card table. You might want to check it out.
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velcrowe New user 94 Posts |
Yeah, that's Darwin's. Learning how to get into Stebbins from NDO is worth the price of the entire set of "At the Card Table" and makes the trick you are describing an absolute stunner.
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Danny Archer V.I.P. Philly 607 Posts |
Birthday Book...
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MagicJuggler Inner circle Anchorage, AK 1161 Posts |
I like Histed Heisted as well.
Oh, and one peice of advice for those that don't know already: Always carry two decks in mem deck order when performing, that way if something goes wrong you can just switch which decks you're using and continue to do the mem deck tricks you were planning on in the first place. It's good to be able to think on your feet, it's better to have planned ahead so you don't have to.
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nathanmorris New user UK 56 Posts |
One which I find gets stunning reactions is using the spectators name to spell down to a named card, or making the spectator select the card they named. or perhaps a weighing cards effect.
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bunkyhenry Special user NYC Metro 828 Posts |
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On 2012-05-16 07:22, MagicJuggler wrote: Good advice! How many times has my onstage volunteer dropped the cards!!! |
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bunkyhenry Special user NYC Metro 828 Posts |
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On 2012-04-18 20:22, edh wrote: Also a nice app called "stacked deck" which quizzes you every whichway. |
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
I've got too many favorites to narrow it down to just one, but for Stand Up shows I have to go with Histed Heisted. For close up I'm partial to Aces Awry because it's usually my opener. But I love Two Beginnings and more recently The Legend of Southside Johnny.
Dennis Loomis
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donny Loyal user Colorado 263 Posts |
Whoa! Thread's eight years old an no: ACKERMAN'S OPENER? Best trick period! Shame shame MC.
It's not their senses that mislead, it's their assumptions.
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts |
You seem to know a lot Fortunately you are not alone Jan
Jan Forster
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