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I'm partial to Darwin Ortiz's "Zen Master", and Caleb Wiles "Armchair Mindreader" (but with a mem deck.)
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On Jul 25, 2016, Tim Cavendish wrote:
Here's a knockout one by Woody Aragon:

https://www.facebook.com/woody.aragon.7/......ef=story


Wow !
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Any ideas where to look up Woody's effect?
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Any ideas where to look up Woody's effect?

It cannot be explained. But Vernon tries to in More Inner Secrets of Card Magic.
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On Sep 7, 2016, Imirik wrote:
Any ideas where to look up Woody's effect?


You can work it out if you are familiar with a stack deck. There is a small section edited out of the video at 1:09 this is where he does a little dirty work.
Woody is a master and if you get a chance to get hold of any of his DVD's or books, you will not be disappointed. Smile
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On Jan 3, 2016, Kjellstrom wrote:

You should all try out Darwin Ortiz super strong mem-deck effect: Test Your Luck, page 255, from his latest book: Lessons in Card Mastery (2012).

Book: https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/......mastery/
Download a video: https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-......ed-deck/

I have done this effect 100s of times since I bought the book and I love the see and hear that people freak out almost every time.
The routine is very well-designed. Almost impossible to backtrack how its done.

Effect:
A spectator names any card. She then inserts a random card anywhere into the deck.
In the process, she herself locates the card that she had named.


I enjoyed watching the video. That said, both Test your Luck and Card Sense were trivial to figure out. I watched the video and immediately knew what was going on. Impossible to backtrack? Not so much. If I know what's happened after watching a performance video once, the effect is fairly easy to backtrack. If I don't know what's happening after a single viewing, but my wife does, the effect is harder to backtrack. (For the record, my wife nailed Test Your Luck on on a single viewing too, and did a simulated version without a memdeck instantly.) I'd call these effects fairly decent, but nowhere near mind-boggling. Worth performing, sure. But nowhere near the best effects.
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O. k., coming back to the theme of this thread and without wanting to appear being immodest, I really believe that my "Under Test Conditions" (we were discussing it here in "Shuffle Not Stirred" in a different thread) falls in this category. It is impossible to backtrack, as there seems to be no explanation even for people supposing a memorized deck, and most important: there is no substitute for the method, so the method makes sense as there is no substitute available Smile Jan
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Yes, 'under test conditions' is an excellent effect (as was your whole Penguin lecture!).

Very well thought out and even with the ability (to at least partially) fool magicians.


.. Also looking forward very much to your book, Jan, mentioned in the lecture.


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O. k., coming back to the theme of this thread and without wanting to appear being immodest, I really believe that my "Under Test Conditions" (we were discussing it here in "Shuffle Not Stirred" in a different thread) falls in this category. It is impossible to backtrack, as there seems to be no explanation even for people supposing a memorized deck, and most important: there is no substitute for the method, so the method makes sense as there is no substitute available Smile Jan
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It sounds to me like Jan Forster's "Under Test Conditions" is probably a variant of Histed Heisted, which would currently receive my top vote. I'd really like to see a performance video of "Under Test Conditions". =) Histed Heisted completely fooled me, but didn't completely fool my wife. If "Under Test Conditions" makes it somewhat more devious, that'd be pure genius, and my bet is that it probably does. Not that Histed Heisted needs to be made more devious, IMO. It's completely diabolical as it stands. But here I confess to posting in partial ignorance.
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No, "Under Test Conditions" is not to compare in any way with "Histed Heisted". If you want to compare then you should more think into the direction of "Four Part Harmony", another often overlooked and great creation of Simon Aronson. Jan
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While there are a number of effects similar to "Under Test Conditions" (Ramón Riobóo's "The Five Sense" from "Thinking the Impossible", Tom Stone's "The Etude" from "Flatland Fever", Greg Chapman's "Pure and Simple" from "The Devil's Staircase", etc...) I am most impressed presentation-wise with Jan's version he performed in the explanation portion of his Penguin Live lecture.

Even if you're well-read and familiar with the premise (Chapman's book has a lot of great work on it n both the "Pure and Simple" and the "Mind-reading with a Memorized Deck" sections) you would still be remiss not to get Jan's lecture. His alternate method of performing it opens up a fresh world of opportunities.

An "Under Test Conditions"-like effect is now right up there with Mnemonicosis in what consider "greatest effects with a memorized deck."
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Absolutely correct and well observed! I know all of the above mentioned routines. In my German book "Unerwartet Mental Angehaucht" I write a bit about the history, similar approaches and the final development of "Under Test Conditions". I still think that it offers quite a lot in different handling and presentation which makes it possible to be performed easily stand up or on stage (which was my main goal) compared to many other clever creations. Just look up my take on Simon Aronson's "Four Part Harmony" which I published here some time ago (same goal).

IMHO especially Riobóo's creation contains too much handling and procedure to make it work on stage. And BTW, while Greg was writing on his "Devil's Staircase" (a wonderful book!!)we were corresponding for some time, even considering putting my "Under Test Conditions" in his book. At the end we decided not to do so as it got too many similarities with some of his own fabulous creations Smile . It seems impossible to reinvent the wheel, so my focus went in a different direction. Jan
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Very glad that your focus went in that direction, Jan. I can't believe how much tipping the presentation on its head (as you do in your alternate presentation in the explanation video) allows for so many additional possibilities and subtle reveals. There were times performing Greg's where I thought "If only I could find a sensible way to reveal the second spec immediately, since I already know it..." and your presentation gave the perfect reasoning. Thank you again!

On a different topic and in the spirit of the thread: I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but "Twice as Hard" (from "Try the Impossible") is another great memorized deck effect. It's one of those where you read the workings, think to yourself "Wait... what? How?" then fool yourself with it a few more times before you can finally sit down and focus on a presentation for it. (simple to get back into stack afterwards, too, with just a little forethought!)
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Yes, "Twice as Hard " is a fantastic routine Smile ! Jan
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I can recommend the powerful effect "Catch me if you can" by Pit Hartling, page 18 from his superb book: In order to amaze.
Of course, there is many more great effects in this book.

The book: http://www.inordertoamaze.com/
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I have to agree with Mats. Catch me if you can is one of my favorite things to do. It's my go to memdeck effect!
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On Sep 12, 2016, TRI6KED wrote:
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On Sep 7, 2016, Imirik wrote:
Any ideas where to look up Woody's effect?


You can work it out if you are familiar with a stack deck. There is a small section edited out of the video at 1:09 this is where he does a little dirty work.
Woody is a master and if you get a chance to get hold of any of his DVD's or books, you will not be disappointed. Smile



I see no edits in this video. I can work out what he did, essentially, but I see no edits.
It's all in the reflexes.
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On Sep 7, 2016, Imirik wrote:
Any ideas where to look up Woody's effect?


You can work it out if you are familiar with a stack deck. There is a small section edited out of the video at 1:09 this is where he does a little dirty work.
Woody is a master and if you get a chance to get hold of any of his DVD's or books, you will not be disappointed. Smile



I see no edits in this video. I can work out what he did, essentially, but I see no edits.


Ah, disregard! I see it now.
It's all in the reflexes.
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