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I have a few questions about the sucker silk to egg effect. I love this trick but don't feel I have really mastered it yet. I would appreciate some input.

(1) Where do most people put it in their act? Is it ok to open with a trick like this? Do people open with it? I know Whit Hadyn has done this effect for many years, I was wondering where Whit puts it in his act and his thoughts behind it.

(2) Do you do it out of your pockets? I have seen it done from pockets and out of hats etc. I think it is better done out of your pockets, but I once placed my hand in my pocket only to find that the egg had broken! This has made me a little scared.

(3) If you put it in your pocket, do you let it sit there free or do you use some kind of holder?

(4) How do you transport the eggs to your gig without them breaking on the way?

(5) I have heard a lot of variations on the color of silks used - red, blue, black. I would have thought that red would be the best for visibility, especially if you are wearing black. For those who don't use red, why do you use the color that you do?

(6) If you do this effect, would you also include other sucker effects (eg McCombical Deck) in your act? Or is it better to just stick to one sucker effect in your act? Or does it matter?

(7) If you use this as an opener, are there anyways you can use this trick to also introduce yourself to the audience, to tell them a little about yourself? I have typically said that it is the first trick that I ever saw and the reason why I fell in love with magic. But, I want to make it a bit more entertaining.

I want to polish this routine and really make it a strong routine in my stage parlor show.

I would appreciate any tips and advice.

Thanks

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I believe it's a good middle trick. Its not an opener.
I carry the egg in a little egg carton I cut in two.
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I like to do it before the egg bag routine.

I cannot answer most of your questions because you have not listed your tricks or given your character to us. Are you a clown, wear tails, or a suit, or a shirt and jeans or dress slacks.

The trick can be an opener, I saw Orson Bean do it once on television as an opener. Also another magician that wore a white tails suit and gym shows, he had a beard, don't recall his name.

I used my pocket for years until one day during a show, I reached into my pocket and got a handful of raw egg. So now I work it out of a top hat.
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Simon,

Back in the 70s and early 80s when I was doing mall magic, the young man that opened for me usually did the sucker egg trick!

He was great! And it made a great opener. (He also held the record for the most ruined silks! I could never break him of the habit of cleaning up his mess with my silks! What are friends for? Carry a paper towel too.)

I lost touch with him in the late 80s. I assume he is still around Branson somewhere.

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On 2005-05-16 05:47, aussiemagic wrote:
I have a few questions about the sucker silk to egg effect. I love this trick but don't feel I have really mastered it yet. I would appreciate some input.


Simon-

I have had a lot of success with this effect with good audience reaction no matter where this plays - I'll answer in regard to my circumstances etc.

I use Viking Deluxe silk to egg that has a gimmick peeled off as part of the routine etc. & the best resin duplicate eggs around - plays very strongly.

In answer to your questions -

(1) Where do most people put it in their act? - In the later part of my show once the audience has seen a few effects & got to know you-usually 1 or 2 items before I finish-Nice to talk to the audience & show them something they can use etc.

(2) Do you do it out of your pockets? I have seen it done from pockets and out of hats etc. - Yes! - I work from a case & pockets I load the real egg into pocket just before I present this effect & pick up hollow egg with silk palmed from case-plenty of time while finishing other routines etc to load up-I also use a TT
for a double sucker finish!


(4) How do you transport the eggs to your gig without them breaking on the way? - In a sturdy box in a casesurrounded by bubblewrap - Eggs are quite strong!

(5) I have heard a lot of variations on the color of silks used - Red is best visually! for me anyway-24 inch diamond cut silk

(6) If you do this effect, would you also include other sucker effects (eg McCombical Deck) in your act? Or is it better to just stick to one sucker effect in your act? Or does it matter? - 1 sucker effect per show is enough for me but it's done in an entertaining way etc.

(7) If you use this as an opener - I personally wouldnt as your opener must be fast ,fun & visually entertaining to music for me - don't sucker the audience before they get to know you - But Bob has seen it used well etc. as mentioned above.

I also use a combination of Michael Ammar's routine & my own input.

This is a fabulous effect if done well - it always gets a strong reaction - not many effects do this at every show - Needs practice though so flows smooth etc.

Good Luck on a classic effect!

Cheers
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Maybe you should do it in the middle of your routine and introduce it as the teach a trick portion of your show since this is a sucker effect. Any silk will do as long as it is visible to your audience. Maybe you can carry your egg in a box lined with bubble wrap or styrofoam. Or you can cut up a portion of an egg tray.
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I carry the egg in an empty cake icing container with some wadded up paper towels in it.

I have used a small pudding bowl with a lid to break it into. It is nice because you can seal the thing up and put in your case to dispose of later. The down side is you cannot see through the side. A brandy snifter is good as it has a wider mouth to hit with the egg.
George Johnstone used a small shallow bowl that was divided in half. The back half held the real egg and he could switch out there and break it into the front half. Again he had a lid to seal the top with.

I make the dots for the egg out of red electrical tape. Be sure to roll one edge under just a little so it is easier to remover. I have the real egg in my pocket and just switch it out ala Mark Wilson. Simple is best.

I think of it as a middle trick but Orson Bean did use it for an opening on televsion.

When the girl brings out the glass, I have a towel on her arm. Otherswise, it is close by in the table.

Don't sell this trick short. It still plays well for all groups.

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In an informal or even a club/stand-up act this bit can make a very strong closer! Now that would be after your "rouser" number and as a more personable, charming "wrap-up" kind of closer. Much like Alan Shaxon does with the hydrostatic glass patter.

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Another thing, the egg I have for my silk to egg is that of a ceramic egg with the gimmicked part included. I bought it as Super silk to egg. It cost about $30 for me but it was worth it. The egg looked real, and you would have a hard time breaking it by putting it into your pocket. I often do the silk to egg in my pocket. But the GE is very reliable and won't break upon going to a tight pocket. If you look it up it's a great investment. Plus the stickers used in the routine are very well made. Hope This Helps!

Also I use the egg as a teach in seconder to my act. Not an opener! I feel that the routine is something to do after the audience is familiar with you.

Again good luck, you have a powerful oppurtunity at a great trick. Good Luck to You!
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First off, the official name of this trick is Kling Klang.
It was described by Charlie Miller in an old Magicana column in Genii Magazine back in the 70's or 80's.

I use the effect as an opener or as a closer.

I get great response either way.

Magically Thine,

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On 2005-06-06 22:07, scottasf wrote:
First off, the official name of this trick is Kling Klang.
It was described by Charlie Miller in an old Magicana column in Genii Magazine back in the 70's or 80's.

I use the effect as an opener or as a closer.

I get great response either way.

Magically Thine,

Scott


F.Y.I.> long before this, the "Miracle Egg" trick was a staple in many D. Robbins type mail order catalogs and small Magic shops.
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On 2005-06-07 01:55, Julie wrote:
Quote:
On 2005-06-06 22:07, scottasf wrote:
First off, The official name of this trick is Kling Klang.
It was described by Charlie Miller in an old Magicana column in Genii Magazine back in the 70's or 80's.

I use the effect as an opener or as a closer.

I get great response either way.

Magically Thine,

Scott


F.Y.I.> long before this, the "Miracle Egg" trick was a staple in many D. Robbins type mail order catalogs and small Magic shops.


It's good to hear from our Western magician. I hope this finds all well.

Unfortunately, in spite of his useful knowledge of magic, his charming youth did not allow him the experience of knowing (at least as a current event) that in published and copyrighted works in 1927 Harlan Tarbell, on pages 389-408 of Volume One of the Tarbell Course in Magic, published a chapter (Lesson 19) on various silk and egg routines that does not exclude any cataloged magic trick on the subject I have ever seen nor seen performed. He makes no claim to being original. He is merely reporting methods available at that time. It does however; establish that the origin predates anything in the 1970s. It also uses a commercially available fake egg.

Somewhere, perhaps in Asian literature, I have seen this trick explained with details on how to make the hollow egg from a real duck egg. The trick could be many centuries old. Again, it makes sense that the origin might have been in the culture that commonly produced both ducks and silk. That would not have been the USA. We have to import silk. And the colored silk scarf is critical to the trick.

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I like to use it as a semi-closer for kids.

I break the egg into the dove pan and bake cookies.
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Vince,

It is good magic that takes good advantage of a teachable moment. Some messages need repeating, emphasis, and visualization. It looks like you have it pegged!

Congratulations!

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John Fisher's book The Story of Magic credits the Sucker Silk to Egg trick to Fred Culpitt in the 20's or 30's.
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[quote]On 2005-06-06 22:07, scottasf wrote:
"First off, the official name of this trick is Kling Klang.
It was described by Charlie Miller in an old Magicana column in Genii Magazine back in the 70's or 80's.

I use the effect as an opener or as a closer.

I get great response either way."

Second Off

Kling Klang is the transposition of a silk with an egg which is placed in a glass tumbler. The name comes from the sound the egg makes when rocked back and forth in the tumbler.It can be found in a very good yet inexpensive paperback from Dover Pub. It is two volumes in one titled Magic Tricks & Card Tricks by Wilfrid Jonson. Copyrighted in 1954 it is a good source of very useable classics.
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The prettiest and most convencing fakes I have seen were made in dental labs where they make false teeth.

If it is a trick you do regularly, it may be well worth the investment.

Those places hide out some master craftsmen.

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On 2005-05-20 02:03, ufo wrote:
In an informal or even a club/stand-up act this bit can make a very strong closer! Now that would be after your "rouser" number and as a more personable, charming "wrap-up" kind of closer. Much like Alan Shaxon does with the hydrostatic glass patter.

-Ed



Ed-

Brilliant advice for this effect

I think to perform this as a closer after the main part of your show just you talking with the audience would play even stronger

Thanks for a great tip!!

-Brent
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Just wanted to say THANKS guys for reminding me about this little effect. I did a show today at a country club for one-hundred fifty seniors. ALL LADIES. Believe it or not Silk to Egg was one of the effects most commented about. I almost forgot about Silk to Egg and haven't performed it in a very long time but decided to put it into today's show only last night. With today's success, it'll stay in the show from now on.

(Sometimes good magic gets passed by. Sometimes it takes a reminder or two to give them another try). Thanks for reminding me!

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Many of the classics are classics for all of the right reasons. Being old is not what makes a trick classic. The real bottom line that makes a trick classic is that it still works and it is still performed. Think of the things that make this one so effective.

1. It is done with known objects. (Eggs, Eggshell, Hank, Glass and Label)

2. It appears to happen in the isolated hand.

3. It has a logical explanation right up until the end.

4. It catches the audience leaning in to you. (They want to believe.)

5. The perfect sealed container is completely full.

6. The contents of the container cannot be transported alone.

7. The truth comes back to the truth. (It's still an egg!)

Recently, I decided to add egg droppers back to my wholesale silk business. After looking around the net, it appears that a basic requirement in modern times for doing the trick had disappeared. It too was once a classic piece of a magician's toolbox. When we got married (years ago) Lucy was surprised that I had a Rubbermaid box labeled "Droppers". Since she is a physician, she thought there had been a mistake. She knew what droppers were. The ones she knew about were only for liquids! (The box marked "Stagehands" really bothered her brother!)

Isn't this a great business? A simple egg and silk handkerchief can take people completely away from reality and bring them back again laughing and reminded what a magical place the world can be.

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