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icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts |
Hello all
This is my first review ever And it is more out of extreme dissapointment than anything else. I recently purchased the DVD expecting to learn about trade shows and routines used (on some advertsing "8 routines explained" well that is true but they are not trade show specific routines The Flash paper effect- where was the trade show presentation??? I am going to try and return the DVD because it was a waste of time and money. The stuff on building a crowd is horrible at one point he talks about getting a big blower gun that blows air and uses this to build interest. the best part of the DVD set was the chapstick gag. Oh my god --not recommended!!!! David Welzman |
Steve Oxford Regular user Churchville,MD. 155 Posts |
Yo David, First off let me say that I really like a lot of Bill Goldman's material, but I too felt let down with this two dvd set. With that said, I have been told that you can always learn something from every tape or book, so....
While they have been out for a while, I still find Dick Ryan's video and Eddie Tullock's video set to be the best. I have never seen Eddie Tullock work, nor Bill Goldman, but that should not take away from their performance style. I have seen Denny Lee, Charles Greene, Martini, and Paul Gertner work behind a booth. Why don't these guys put something out on dvd about working trade shows????? The impression that I got from the Bill Goldman set was that he was holding back his real stuff, which if he decided to do is fine, but I should not be expected to pay good money for that. To be honest, I did learn some things off the set, so while I'm not happy about them, I did get something for my money. But would I recommend them to anyone else? Not really. I'll stick with Ryan & Tullock for now until the other guys mentioned put something out. S. |
Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
I disagree.
The information is not cookie cutter magic. He shows you how to make routines product specific, gives a great tip on building your personal "lingo" for the product and talks about his specific routines for customers. I love all the stories. Bill Goldman's stuff is great magic. The first routine on the DVD is killer. Total audience involvement with an impossible climax. The bell idea is worth the price alone. Just my opinion, James
Still with the Chinese circus
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MagicSteve84 Loyal user 290 Posts |
Just thought I'd put in my two cents...
I also think this DVD set was not worth the money. It seems like all those guys just sat around talking about Tradeshows while being videotaped. There was no organization to the material at all. Throughout the DVD all the people look confused as to what to talk about next, then a cell phone vibrates off camera, then they do a horrible job of wrapping everything up at the conclusion. I do agree with Xiqual when he says that the bell idea is worth the price of the video although I don't think that Mr. Goldman would appreciate it being used by other tradeshow workers. If you take another look at the DVD, the gentleman to his right mentions asking Bill for permission to use the idea and apparently Bill said no and was annoyed that everyone was already using the idea without his permission. I would love to use the idea but fear the reaction I may get if Mr. Goldman hears about it. I believe that if he put this advice on DVD in order to make a profit on it then its fair game for those who purchase this set to use. All in All I was very disappointed with this purchase...esspecially being produced by Bob Kohler. |
icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts |
I don't think the bell idea is worth the price of the video- use it you gotta get something out of the DVD.
It was a bad DVD set. How about how he got his start. in essence a fluke he met the president of ABC at a restaurant OK now how do we we create this??? How about the trick where he opens and says now I have never used this before but here goes you know the one with the questions and answers Yes/no, arrows. On only 1 trick of the 8 he does a Trade show presentation- 1 out of 8 is not good enough. Stopping traffic The blower gun- does he use this at every single trade show??? (no) howabout the machine that plays different music. these are not helpful to a trade show performer. Scripting Doesn't he say "I look at the sales material the night before the trade show" that's really bad advice. The DVD should have been named "Stories that will not help you" Frustrating dissapointment a real let down there is so much bad stuff on the DVD set Xiqual you must have got the Taiwan version because the Australian version is the second worst DVD I have ever purchased ( the Dan Harlan impromptu video 2 is the worst) David |
Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
I understand. We all have different opinions. Your points are well taken David.
Thank you. I have always liked Goldman's stuff. I have all the Bar and grills and use the material constantly. The DVDs are a little expensive, I agree. Oh well, to each his own right? James
Still with the Chinese circus
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shazzy Regular user 118 Posts |
The first two card tricks Bill Goldman does are the most baffling card tricks I've seen in a long while! These two tricks to me are worth more than the price of the DVDs absolutely Killer Effects.
His stories you can listen again and again and still would not bore me. without a doubt one of the best sets of this year. |
icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts |
Didn't anyone else pick the Svengali deck as he performed it???
Come on simply compare the DVD's to the Eddie Tullock videos The Tullock ones are simply fantastic- he uses sales presentations, the advice is good- you can learn about what and why the tricks work. The Goldman ones you don't learn any real world stuff. David Welzman and for Bill-- I will never buy anything else you sell. |
billgoldman New user 9 Posts |
Hello from Bill Goldman
I actively performed at trade shows for over 25 years. You could count the number of trade show magicians on two hands and we all knew each other. Some of what the magic community considers "great magicians" tried their hands in that market and failed. Those of us that were "in the game" spent a lot of time together on the road sharing secrets and lies. They were the glory days. If I told you that the Golden Rule was the key to success, you'd say, "Yeah, okay, tell me about scripting." If I said that it's most important for the audience to like YOU, you'd say "Yeah, okay, but what tricks should I do?" If I said it's about attitude and how you treat the audience, it's about being honest, you'd say, "yeah, but what kind of microphone should I use?" Let me tell you-- I gave you the real secrets on those DVDs. I could have told you how to write a contract, but if you don't understand the real "secrets" I shared, there's a good chance it will be one of only a few contracts you ever write. Bill Goldman
See all my magical effects at bgmagic.com
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
While he focused on the corporate field with magic, Bill Goldman was considered one of the top trade show workers in the world. One thing that is interesting about Bill's magic is when you know the secret it seems almost rudimentary yet I have witnessed it/him fool some of the most knowledgeable people in magic. Don't over look either his magic or his advice because it seems simple or obvious to you. I can guarantee that Bill would fool you badly over and over with his magic yet when you learned the secret you'd be thinking "and that's all he did?". Bill knows the importance of putting the focus on the clients and not on the knuckle busting moves. In the DVDs he really tips the mitt and shares many secrets of the corporate world that you may overlook or assume you know. But remember that with the advice that Bill imparts on these DVDs he made a LOT of money and was in tremendous demand for a reason.
Tim Trono |
icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts |
Here I am- I'm Back.
Thanks for jumping on Mr Goldman I realise that Mr Goldman has been in the industry for a long time and is very good at what he does- No question I know you are good. In 2 DVD's I would have liked a bit more info on Building a crowd the bit on standing out the front with money does work well- the blower gun thing is a nice story but not practicle. The problem is On the Back of the DVD it says what is in the DVD such as marketing and so forth. But it is really very lightly touched on. the story on meeting the president of ABC and getting lots of work from it is a nice story to read in magic magazine but from practle point of view the only thing that tells me is that big customers are everywhere. I have watched it 3 times and some bits even more times- Luckily I was able to return the DVD. quote from advertising extremely valuable information on scripting, trade show pitches, premiums, length of performance, give-a-ways, stopping traffic, building crowds, marketing, promo videos, payment strategies Sorry the Valuable info on scripting is 1 trick (out of 8) with a salesy presentation and to look at the client product info the night before. that is your valuable info on scripting from years of working. I think Bill you are a great entertainer and magician but I'm sorry I'm not going to be polite. As for Tim Trono quote. Bill knows the importance of putting the focus on the clients- I'm sure he does know this- but doesn't talk much on it on the DVD set. and As for being fooled- I don't care much for magic that fools other magicians. they are not my customers. As for Bill Goldmans info- you speak a few times of Eddie Tullock- His video called the real truth about trade shows- is totally different to your DVD set so who is right??? Big contrasts in the info given. David Welzman |
asper Veteran user 364 Posts |
Track down the Mike Rogers and Jim Ryan videos from Stevens. The Rogers video is helpful if you want to see how a pro incorporates a product pitch in a magical presentation.
Or, go to a trade show and watch Joel Bauer, the current master, and study his every move. Those guys were making doing tradeshows when it was difficult to do so. In the late 90s, when corporations were spending money like drunken sailors on trade shows, it was much easier to get trade shows back then. If you want to learn it from the real deal, look at who did it successfully 20 years ago, and who is making money at it now. This is not a knock on Bill Goldman -- I haven't seen these DVDs and am not sure if he's a trade show magician currently. But most of the business isn't about magic -- it's about selling yourself to the companies, getting people to the booth, and generating leads. |
Markymark Inner circle 1686 Posts |
I agree with you icentertainment,Very disappointing set for 80 us dollars.When you think the brilliant Bob Fitch topit dvd set is 100 dollars [and worth more]
there seems to be something wrong. I know Bill Goldman is brilliant though.
''In memory of a once fluid man,crammed and distorted by the classical mess'' -Bruce Lee
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asper Veteran user 364 Posts |
It's too late to edit my post, but I left out a key phrase:
Those guys were making A GOOD LIVING doing tradeshows when it was difficult to do so. In the late 90s, when corporations were spending money like drunken sailors on trade shows, it was much easier to get trade shows back then |
HarrisonCarroll V.I.P. Buffalo, NY 118 Posts |
Hello People: Let me say that I have NOT seen the DVD's. But I know Bill and have worked with him around the world. He certainly knows the real work inside and out. I get the impression that people here want thousands of dollars worth of information for the price of a DVD. It doesn't work that way -- in magic -- or business in general. You garther crumbs from here and there until you acquire enough crumbs to make a meal. And knowing Bill, I'm sure there are enough crumbs in his DVD to more than pay for the price of the DVD. If he did indeed give the bell idea away (which was Steve Allen's and given to Bill by Terry Vechey), that is worth a fortune. Most guys would have paid $500 or even $1000 just for that bit when Bill first started doing it. And if you don't see the value of that bit, then you have a long way to going before being a legitimate trade show performer.
And to the guy, posted earlier, who is afraid to use the bell for fear of Bill getting angry. Hey, he sold it to you and since he put it out, you certainly have the right to do it. But you're missing the point because you'd merely be copying what Bill already did. Rather, it's all about the concept behind the bell. One needs to find one's own bit that accomplishes what the bell did for Bill. How much is the DVD? $29.00, $59.00, $79.00, $129.00? You're talking about a six figure income, even in a bad year. You won't get all the answers in one place, or from one source, or for one price. Nor can you be an Certified Public Accountant by buying a DVD. Don't get mad at me guys because if you got the bell, you got more than your money's worth |
Steve Haynes Inner circle Southeastern United States 1119 Posts |
Crumbs here and there is the TRUTH!
Bill Goldman has some good ideas, the only problem in my opinion is his stuff is way over priced. Things are only worth what you can get for them and if he can get it, more power to him. Magic is a Business and with the proper hype and the buddies chiming in, there are people whe will pay $20.00 for boomerang instead of buying Encyclopedia of card tricks for five bucks and getting the same effect plus hundreds more. The only reason I make this statement is for the CRUMBS! There are so many GREAT things out there that will make you a better Magician if you do what you should, Collect the crumbs. Pay a little for a lot of crumbs not pay out the @ss for one. Bill Goldman is I'm sure a very good performer, considering his sales ability. For the love of Magic, Steve |
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