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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
Hey all;
I am putting together a theatrical project that has been in the works now for the last 4 years. The show features original material that is of the bizzare / spirtualist nature. I have hit a very large road lock in creating the main show piece for the production. I am taking the old idea of a ouija board answering questions posed to spirits,and adaptingit so that the questions are asked by the spectators, a polaroid picture is snapped, and the answers to the questions appear on the film. I have several ideas that I am looking to play with here, but unfortunately my experience witht he polaroid is limited. The long and short of it is, that I need to speak with some one who is an expert in the area of polaroid film. Please PM me if anyone has any information or sources that I can use on the subject of docotoring polaroid film. Thanks!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Can you still buy a one of those cameras?
honestly, digital cameras are the current technology. You might want to explore "stegnography" and "digital artifacts". The plot of the movie White Noise has one take on this idea. Yes there are published sources on the Polaroid thing. The inventor published his trick a some time ago.
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RJ_Silmser Regular user Quebec 160 Posts |
Hypnotist Terry Stokes did what I saw as the first ever "photographing a thought" with a Polaroid camera...it blew me away. He showed me how to do it and I had gimmicks made with "spirit images" on it. It worked well.
~Rick~
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czero Loyal user NYC 282 Posts |
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On 2005-05-19 21:54, RJ_Silmser wrote: Rick, I think the first "thoughtography" was performed by a man named Ted Serios. Like Uri Geller, though, he claimed to be the real thing. He was "investigated" by psychiatrist Jules Eisenbud, if memory serves me, and the good doctor even wrote a book about him. Entitled The World of Ted Serios, it was published in the sixties. Serios was a colorful character. He was a chronic alcoholic and usually had to be bribed with libations before he did his thing--which, not surprisingly, involved a "gizmo" (his word). Said gizmo was allegedly nothing more than an empty cardboard tube which he used to focus his thoughts, but of course we know better. ;-) --Mike |
Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
I'm really searching for a way to have a number of different messages appear in the same session from the same camera.
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sinnead zenun Elite user Mt. Makiling 408 Posts |
Is it necessarily a message, don't you want to try a ghostly image...
some fraud medium in the past uses polaroid to capture a ghost image... |
Bosko New user 99 Posts |
I think the trick "say cheese" can be adapted to a kind of "spirit" or "mind reanding" effect!
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
I'm meaning this piece to be similar in effect to a ouija board. Thik about the possibilities!
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Eric Starkey Regular user Pittsburgh, PA 180 Posts |
See Penn & Teller's "How to Play in Traffic" for some simple Polaroid ghostly manifestations.
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ptbeast Special user Oregon 831 Posts |
Thanks Eric for the reference. I have been looking into this for a while and have not found a whole heck of a lot. It is my intent to use a camera in a
theatrical ghost hunt. I know of one method using the Polaroid, but the problem is that the image appears on all the photos. Ideally one or two images would appear on only one or two of several photos. This would be similar to what I think icy_rabbit is looking for. The other problem is that Polaroids are rarely seen these days. In my mind that makes them immediately suspicious. I would love to be able to figure out a method for using a digital camera. Keep the ideas coming! Dave |
Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
Well, think of it this way. Everyone knows that digital images can be manipulated. Now if you have an unopened pack of film that the spectator loads, and the images appear on that, we remove the suspicion of the digital age by using analog technology.
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ptbeast Special user Oregon 831 Posts |
I agree with you that digital can raise suspicion as well. I think, however, that if the participant were to take the picture and the camera were to download directly to a photo printer this would overcome the doubt. I am willing to use either at this point, if only I can find the method to do it the way I want...
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Mystician Inner circle Wallachia 3485 Posts |
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On 2005-05-21 01:28, icy_rabbit wrote: I totally agree. How anyone could feel that a digital camera is above suspicion is beyond me. Some of them have limited photo editing capabilities built right into the camera, right off the shelf, and if you're removing, say, the compact flash card to insert in a photoprinter, you could so easily do a palm switch with another flash card that's prepared in some way. Some neat things you can do with a Polaroid: Take Xrays ! http://www.ritilan.com/archives/2004/10/27/11.34.19/ Make a Sonar device: http://www.uoxray.uoregon.edu/polamod/ Use Blueprint paper as film: (looks mystical!) http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/blueprint/blueprint.html This might help with faking pictures: http://greasyskillet.org/archives/2005/0......ex.shtml and this may ultimately be of the most use to you: http://www.chemie.unibas.ch/%7Eholder/SX70.html If you're using an SX-70, you just struck paydirt. Sounds like a neat project, good luck.
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Eric Starkey Regular user Pittsburgh, PA 180 Posts |
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On 2005-05-20 11:14, Eric Starkey wrote: The P&T book is not what you're looking for then. This method imprints the "spirit" onto all of the photos. Unless of course you were able to come up with a way to steal & load the gimmick(s) in and out of the camera. |
Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
Ideally what would happe is that the film would be gimicked prior to loading into the camera, each picture with a different message. This is my ultimate ( although possibly impossible) goal. PTBEAST, our projects sound remarkably simmilar, we should have a chat!
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Mystician Inner circle Wallachia 3485 Posts |
Check my links above - specifically the one for the SX-70. It's called, "The Hacker's Guide to the SX-70". (Polaroid SX-70)
Here's the specific page on double exposures: http://www.chemie.unibas.ch/%7Eholder/SX70.html If you don't use an SX-70, I don't know, but it might still be applicable.
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ptbeast Special user Oregon 831 Posts |
Mystician,
Thanks for the link. While not ideal, the method could be workable to create one good spirit photo out of several. While it would necessarily be the first photo out, if several photos where taken and all opened at once this might not be too big a problem. Especially if examined at the same time as some other "evidence." I will play with it soon and let you know how it works. Thanks again, Dave |
Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
One advantage of using a digital camera, is that a digital camera can "see" things that the human eye cannot. These images will even appear in the viewfinder while the camera is being moved about, thus eliminating the idea that the camera has been gimmicked in any way.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
ptbeast Special user Oregon 831 Posts |
One thing that has been suggested to me, though I have yet to experiment with it, is to use a fine powder of some sort to put some dust in the air. It will probably not be noticed, especially if it is somewhat dark, but may show up as orbs in the photos if flash is used.
Dave |
Mystician Inner circle Wallachia 3485 Posts |
That's an interesting concept Dave. Last year I remember reading about a product that you could spray on your license plates, in normal light it didn't show, but under the flash of a camera, it would (theoretically) over expose (over illuminate?) the photo and white out your plate, thus saving you from an automated speed trap/photo-taking/ticket-sending thingamabob.
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