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Midnight333 Veteran user 353 Posts |
Man, I thought I wanted to do street magic to try and make some money. But it seems that all those guys are doing the same things, and all of the people think about David Blain. Theres just no point. So, I went to the dark side. Mabey, someone can renew my faith in street performing.
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Roland Henning Special user Kiel, Germany 511 Posts |
It all depends on how much money you want to make. And it depends on you needing that money. If you need it, your faith will return. If you are greedy, your faith will return.
Just be different, be different than Blaine and his Wannabees and you'll see that you are much more honest with yourself. And that will lead to a good mood. Performing mood. Do coin stuff, a small bit with a rope and maybe ONE card trick. But be carful. A relapse could happen if you don't use your head. Enough Quotes? |
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Corey Harris Inner circle Kansas City, MO 1229 Posts |
Talk to Chris Capehart about what street magic really is. He can renew your faith in it.
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
There is no money in street magic - how many people do you see give David Blaine a tip in his TV specials? If you want to make money doing street magic, get yourself a hat and prepare to spend a lot of years learning the ropes.
JoeJoe
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unilogo Veteran user Las Vegas , NV 359 Posts |
You wanna make good money you best get a degree and a job. I don't mean that in any bad way but its gonna be pretty tough buying a new car through busking unless you are REALLY good and the people you are performing for decide to give you a good tip.
definetly go to the busking forum here. Check out post on how to make money. Now faith in magic. Did you honestly start to make money? I know just about EVERY magician does it to make people happy for a little while. SO don't ever forget that is the most important thing.(some might disagree) What I suggest is get rid of ANYTHING and everything related to blaine. Be yourself and add a character to strangers if you please.If you have no hope in making people have fun or make em question things...just stop doing magic. As harsh as it may sound. Theres way better ways to make money. Gone to the darkside eh......TOny andruzzi and bizarre magick...oh go into that if you want. NO one sadly knows andruzzi's name..so you won't be compared to anyone. The closest is eugene burger..but even so..still not that famous. Up to you . Good luck either way. |
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sinnead zenun Elite user Mt. Makiling 408 Posts |
Hey midnight 333
who says you can't combine both... the darkside in the street |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Boy there seems to be some confusion here:
Street magicians don't make $$$ doing tricks on the street. I think JoeJoe is correct. I'm still not convinced there is such a thing as a street magician. Now.... buskers. They do make money but they do an entirely different kind of magic. They have an act. They have an entire act that they perform over and over and perfect over years. They learn how to draw crowds, keep crowds, keep people from leaving, work with hecklers, and get money at the end of their act. My theory is: Nobody is walking around with a raven and a black tiger deck and making a living at it. Or even a tip. Just my own theory. If you want to learn how to make money on the street, learn how to be a busker. Get the Cellini DVDs. The Gazzo DVDs. The Royal Touch Book. The Secret Art of Magic. Get the book by Danny Hustle and Jersey Jim on Krowd Keeping. The David Blaine/Ellusionist/Street Magic stuff? Street Magician? I think it is all made up marketing propoganda so people can make more money off of you. Convincing you you'll get "chicks" if you buy the "tricks". But then again, if your definition of street magician is just walking around the sidewalk trying to get up the nerve to ask a cute chick to pick a card or hold a shimmed quarter in their hand. Well, then great! Best of luck to you. But don't confuse this version of "street magician" with a "busker". I guess instead of typing all that crap above, I could have summed it up by writing: Raise your hand if you think David Blaine was a real live street magician before the David Blaine specials. p.s. I think the david blaine specials are great! Love 'em.
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Midnight333 Veteran user 353 Posts |
Thanks. Busking, that's what I meant. I should try that, not street magic. I thought they were synonymous but what I meant was busking.
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Corey Harris Inner circle Kansas City, MO 1229 Posts |
Well Chris Capehart refers to Busking as Street Magic. And refers to it as being real Street magic. So I guess take that how ever you want to.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Yes, corey.
Busking = Real Street Magic Agreed! It's a shame the 'street magic' has been turned into something else. Capehart if fantastic, by the way.
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
You can't just decide to go out and make some money busking! That's like saying, I'm gonna get some canvas and make some money painting ... most painters don't get rich till they die, and buskers won't even get rich then.
If you want to start busking, you do it because you like street magic - period. If you make some money, great. If you keep at it, you will eventually get it down ... and will eventually be able to make a decent wage with it. If people keep talking about David Blaine, then you must be doing something to remind them of him - I rarely hear his name when I am working the streets. If they do mention him, it's only to tell me how much better I am then him. Ok Ok ... I'm exagerating there just a little ... but I never get the impression they bring him up because they feel he is better than me, or that I am better than him - they bring it up because they enjoyed his show. And I always give him the proper resepct that I would give any other magician, and the people enjoy the conversation. Since this is normally done after the show, it never affects the hat - I've already got their money. One thing some of you might not realize is that your audience LIKES David Blaine, and if you come across as someone that doesn't like him ... then you will lose them. So I guess what you have to do there Midnight is ask yourself where you want to be in 10 years with your magic. If you want to be on the streets passing a hat, stick with it and you might make it. If you want to be the star of your own touring illusion show, get off the streets now. If you want to be a TV star, move to Hollywood. If all you want to do is make some extra money, find a resturant to work walk-around. JoeJoe
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The Mighty Fool Inner circle I feel like a big-top tent having 2140 Posts |
Aye-aye-yeesh....here we go again,
The existense / validity of street mages has been discussed on this forum to great extent (I'd try to sound educated by saying "Ad Nauseum" but truth is I really don't even know what that means) and as usual, it's the buskers who, like the authorities who fought against the theory of evolution, give the cry "No! No! No! This does NOT exist!!! Only OUR form is the TRUE street magic!" Excuse me....got a little carried away there I guess......anyhoo, 1) Street-magic is NOT a way to get rich, or scratch out a living. Street-mages make mabye 1/10 what most buskers make, and that's on a good day. Street-magic is more a means of survival. If you know what youre doing, yes, you can get tips and on a good day you can pull mabye $50-80. it can be done and there are those who do it. The thing is, it's not all that easy to SPOT one. We wear regular clothes, and rarely stay in one spot for very long. 2) Some might ask "Well, if they're good enough to do the hit-and-run street thing, then why don't they just do BUSKING and make a lot more money?!?" Good question. First-off, busking is harder....you need larger better props (often including a table of some sort) and you have to have an engaging patter/personality capable of drawing & holding a crowd.**NOTE: When I say "Larger better", I mean anything that couldn't fit into your front pocket** Second, Busking isn't legal everywhere, and there's no way to be a 'discreet' pitchman (there's an oxymoron if there ever was one) The one real advantage of street-magic is that it can be done on the sly. We can laugh in the face of local restrictions / ordinances. 3) Street-magic is often done as an ALTERNATIVE to busking. Say it's pouring rain, or all the spots are taken, or there's a city-funded event hogging the crowds in one area....whaddya do? Go home & sulk! No way! Ditch the table, loose the funny hat, roll up your sleeves & hit the streets! There are a couple of instances on this forum where a working professional used street-magic to get by between gigs. 4) David Blaine is NOT a street mage....he just PLAYS one on his specials & commercials. If I had a camera & sound guy with me....I'd have no trouble getting people to watch me! But the fact that Blaine is at the top of the magical foodchain, and he APPEARS to be a street magician, this rankles many buskers to no end.....it's a lot harder to ridicule & deny something when there's an ultra-sucsessful performer pitching it.
Everybody wants to beleive.....we just help them along.
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Perl Veteran user Taiwan 376 Posts |
I learn magic because I like it, I enjoy it. Not to make money out of it. Really.
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MagiUlysses Special user Kansas City 504 Posts |
Greetings and Salutations,
Howdy Mighty, thought you'd pop into this discussion, and, no, I'm not jumping into this one! Just wanted to take one exception to your comment on not being able to work a large crowd out of your "front pockets." Jim Cellini, an undispted monster in magic busking, has slowly moved away from working with a table, preferring to working from his pockets. With the right tricks and the right presentation an entertaining magi can play to a large crowd, i.e., busking; and those same tricks could be used with a different presentation to play to a small crowd or a couple. For example, rope, ring and rope, TT and silk, cards, coins, rings, etc., could all be fit into a pocket -- depending on the size of the pocket -- and all kinds of routines from these small, simple items fit into the pack small play big category and can play to any size crowd. Just to throw out an idea to play with. Just my $.02 (USD) worth. YMMV Joe in KC "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ... 'Wow! What a ride!'" |
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DavidKenney Inner circle 2178 Posts |
You've taken your first step into a larger world...
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
If you really want to make money doing street magic, your best option is to find someone to pay you to do it - like an amusment park, or shopping complex.
It's a hard sale, mainly because of the number of people you can actually entertain - a park with with 5,000 people would rather hire a busker to entertain large groups than to pay someone to walk around and perform for small groups. If you wanted to try this approach, research how walk-around magicians sell their product. A good key selling point is that you always refuse a tip, unless it is offered twice (at which point it becomes "rude" to refuse). The way things are changing, "street magicians" are now "buskers" ... and "walk-around" magicians are now "street magicians". There is absolutly no difference in what David Blaine does than what a resturant worker does. JoeJoe
Amazing JoeJoe on YouTube[url=https://www.youtube.com/user/AmazingJoeJoe]
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discjockey Elite user 451 Posts |
You cant keep the Mighty Fool off these busking threads.
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mentalvic Loyal user 215 Posts |
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On 2005-05-26 08:20, Perl wrote: Kudos, Perl. Good answer. Best one I've seen thus far.
There she was, a dodgy old prune in a tiara, rushing at me waving a sword. Do all knights suffer this whilst being made?
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chrisrkline Special user Little Rock 965 Posts |
Easy to say, unless you have to earn a living. I would rather earn a living doing what I love (magic) then to work some crappy job and get my happiness on the side doing magic.
Chris
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
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On 2005-05-24 20:14, blazes816 wrote: Did you mean his last stunt or his levitation? |
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