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On 2005-06-06 20:44, evolve629 wrote:
It means when the mood strikes, boom, the magic is performed. I think the magic can be either prepared earlier so it's ready to go or the magic itself can be taken from regular objects in your environment. I hope this makes sense.

Evolve, would you agree that "sticky situation" (which we both know and love!) is impromptu magic? The reason I'm asking is that it sure as hell LOOKS impromptu from the spectators viewpoint! But we both know their is a gimmick involved and a little preparation. So then, from that standpoint, it is not truly 100% impromptu. But to me it fits in the category because of what the spectator percieves.

What is your oopinion on this?
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Surely all magic should look impromptu to the spectator - if they know you had set up a coin to bend, and brought one with you, that would take all magic away from the effect? I don't understand the problem with the meaning of impromptu.

Yes, a coin vanish, using sleights, is impromptu - you borrow a coin, and make it vanish. But using a clip or pull, or raven, requires preparation ahead of time- you have decided to bring it with you. So it is not impromptu. I don't see why this is difficult to grasp.

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So can we say that a trick is impromptu because for the spectators is looks as if no setup was used? How is this then called for the performer, and how is it called if the performer really needs no setup?

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On 2005-06-13 09:50, calexa wrote:
So can we say that a trick is impromptu because for the spectators is looks as if no setup was used? How is this then called for the performer, and how is it called if the performer really needs no setup?

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I don't think there's any real answer here.

To me, the use of gaffs and a prior set up would NOT be impromptu.

On the other hand, and it's often stated here at the Café', that it's not the methods used but the results or effect it has on the audience. If gaffs and prior preparations are used then in my eyes it's not truely impromptu but can very well be seen as impromptu in the spectators eyes.
Call this 'apparent impromptu' or whatever you want.

I do think that any gaffs used should appear to be common, everyday objects.
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There are many, many definitions of "impromptu". This is where the confusion lies. There are many factors.

Impromptu can mean different things to different people.

My favorite impromptu effect is the "Image Generator" by Tenyo. Talk about doing magic with nothing but the shirt off your back.

Contrary to some opinions impromptu magic is definitly rehearsed. All magic must be practiced until done automatically. The showmanship is in making something you ave practiced for 6 months seems natural when being performed. Like you just picked it up and made a miracle for the first time. that's the true spirit of impromptu magic.

Impromptu can be a finger trick (Meir Yedid) or a pocket effect with a borrowed coin. It can be a prepared item that seems natural (like a book, or box of matches). Its all that and more.


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For me impromptu magic is a defenition of what your audience see and think.
If they are left with the impression that you did magic for them on the spot and un-prepeared using everyday objects, to me that is impromptu magic.

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On 2005-06-13 09:50, calexa wrote:
So can we say that a trick is impromptu because for the spectators is looks as if no setup was used? How is this then called for the performer, and how is it called if the performer really needs no setup?

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I don't think there's any real answer here.

To me, the use of gaffs and a prior set up would NOT be impromptu.

On the other hand, and it's often stated here at the Café', that it's not the methods used but the results or effect it has on the audience. If gaffs and prior preparations are used then in my eyes it's not truely impromptu but can very well be seen as impromptu in the spectators eyes.
Call this 'apparent impromptu' or whatever you want.

I do think that any gaffs used should appear to be common, everyday objects.


That's exactly what I was trying to say. There is impromptu, and there is "apparently" impromptu.

The difference is how the spectators sees it. If you pull your own deck of cards out of your pocket, it looks to the spectator as if you might have been possibly prepared to do a trick. (Because you have your "magic cards") doesn't matter that the deck is ungaffed...it looks the same to the spec.

But if you borrow the spectaors cigs or matches, it appears very impromptu, even though you may be concealing a gimmick on your person that will acomplish the effect!
So then, even a prepared effect can have a very true "impromptu" feel and appearance to the the spectator. Blaine demonstrated this over and over.

If I do a trick on the spur of the moment that requires me to steal my thumbtip out of my pocket and onto my thumb, is that truly impromptu? It involved preparation! And yet, I can make it look as if I can do it anytime, anywhere with no gimmicks..

One more example. When Blaine "Ripped his heart out of his chest" on national TV, was that impromptu or not? We here all know that it was prepared beforehand elaborately, but to the audience it appeared completely spur of the moment. So which was it then? Hmmmm...
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Surely impromptu should only refer to the state of readiness the performer is in?? Should the audience be aware of any preparation beforehand - surely if they are, then that takes any magic away from the proceedings? (I am not referring to effects that use obvious props, such as sawing a woman in half).

My point is, almost all tricks should appear 'impromptu' to the audience - citing your example with Blaine and the heart - of course that has to look impromptu - if they knew he had set up a heart ahead of time, then any mystery, magic or surprise is gone. But from a magician's perspective, that is not an 'anywhere, anytime' effect (short of actually ripping out your heart - not good if you want repeat performances!)

The audince for a strolling performer should always think that he is just doing it off the cuff - borrowing a coin, for example, but just happens to have a few 'normal' things with him - cards, pieces of paper, a pen etc. This is why I have such an aversion to blatant props - 'please may you examine this totally normal Japanese coin box'. It doesn't look right. But if you borrow a piece of paper and pen, then tell them the name of a dead family member - it seems totally real, and impromptu.

The audience should always think I have nothing set up, as if they suspect a prop, then it takes any magic away from the proceeedings. The definition of 'Impromptu' for me means that I can do an effect anywhere, anytime, with nothing on me.

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I agree that the audience should be not aware of any previous set up or preparation. But that is where the difference in people comes in, because some folks would think nothing of you puling your own deck of cards out of your pocket, BUT, there are others whom, when they see the cards come out, right off the bat begin to think "Aha! He has his "TV Magic cards" with him today!' Sure, they are normal unprepared Bikes, but that won't stop the spectator who has the suspicious proclivity from thinking otherwise. For this particular type of spectator, the strongest magic will involve purely borrowed objects. That is the only way you will come off as impromptu to this charachter.
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On 2005-06-16 19:09, daffydoug wrote:
I agree that the audience should be not aware of any previous set up or preparation. But that is where the difference in people comes in, because some folks would think nothing of you puling your own deck of cards out of your pocket, BUT, there are others whom, when they see the cards come out, right off the bat begin to think "Aha! He has his "TV Magic cards" with him today!' Sure, they are normal unprepared Bikes, but that won't stop the spectator who has the suspicious proclivity from thinking otherwise. For this particular type of spectator, the strongest magic will involve purely borrowed objects. That is the only way you will come off as impromptu to this charachter.


I agree that bringing out certain items like a deck of cards, half dollars and perhaps some other items would bring about suspicion.

However, while borrowed items is best I don't agree that it "is the only way you will come off as impromptu". Common items like keys, common money, pens, etc, is not a problem.

Years ago it was pretty well known I did magic. Nowadays only few people know I still dabble in magic. I have my reasons for this.

At work and some other places, carrying anything out of the norm would likely arouse suspicion and I avoid doing so. At work I try to find items common for that environment and work on ideas with those. Certain things, like elastics, paperclips, etc, are not common where I work and are just are some of my limitations. Also because my job is quite physical my carrying any 'helpers' would likely result in their getting lost or broken.

I love impromptu magic and find it a great challenge.
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On 2005-06-16 19:09, daffydoug wrote:
I agree that the audience should be not aware of any previous set up or preparation. But that is where the difference in people comes in, because some folks would think nothing of you puling your own deck of cards out of your pocket, BUT, there are others whom, when they see the cards come out, right off the bat begin to think "Aha! He has his "TV Magic cards" with him today!' Sure, they are normal unprepared Bikes, but that won't stop the spectator who has the suspicious proclivity from thinking otherwise. For this particular type of spectator, the strongest magic will involve purely borrowed objects. That is the only way you will come off as impromptu to this charachter.




However, while borrowed items is best I don't agree that it "is the only way you will come off as impromptu". Common items like keys, common money, pens, etc, is not a problem.


Agreed. Very good point.
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I would say Impromptu Magic is...

A magician with great creativity and well educated in tricks that's creates an illusion just from a request from a person. The trick may be from ordinary things that was taken from a spectator or from the surrounding environment or a cleverly set-up rig but the effect should be surprising to be able to produce a believable impromptu effect.

Now I say well educated meaning a beginner who just learned the the Coin Bite trick to do an impromptu magic. For one he will just do the same trick over and over again? Number two, I guess you are more or less known to do magic to be asked to do magic in an instance.

Now this is just my opinion.
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Guys, this is a very good discussion here. I´m very impressed!

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