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franksbank New user UK, second star on the right 19 Posts |
And now for my first post...
Very grateful for advice on the Classic Palm for coins. I'm having difficulty in keeping a natural hand, as the coins I try palming seem either too big or too small (using UK Sterling). I have David Roth's 'Expert Coin Magic - Vol 1' DVD and have been working diligently with it. However, my thumb pad is the only bit that looks like having any chance of gripping a coin. The only way, at the moment, that I can get the other side of my hand to complete a grip seems to turn my hand into a claw, which according to the DVD - and common sense - is wrong, as I need to have a reasonably flat and natural hand. So... I'm wondering if I need to find different coins to learn with, or if I'm doing something fundamentally wrong. I'm not afraid of hours of practice, but am just getting the feeling that I'm on a non-starter at this point. Can anyone provide a tip or three on getting this basic action sorted? All advice most appreciated. FB
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Corey Harris Inner circle Kansas City, MO 1229 Posts |
When palming your hand wont be perfectly flat. Palm the coin and rest your hand on its side, do the same with the other hand. Notice your empty hand that is relaxed on its side. The palming hand should also resemble this. It is a very natural position. People on here may disagree with me. But this is the way I was taught when I first started palming. It has helped me greatly. Also try palming a coin all day. It helps quite a bit as well. It will make it more comfortable, and you will begin to forget about the coin.
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
Regardless of all the books tapes and/or advice, palming a coin in classic position has a lot to do with the individual. First as Corey points out a relaxed hand is not a flat hand. Secondly each person has to find the spot on their palm whereby moving ones thumb inward is all it takes to hold the palm. This is going to vary slightly from person to person. Once you find that spot do as Corey advises and carry the coin with you for a day. Drive with it, write with it, and do as many of your daily activities as you can. In a days time you will be a master at it.
Frank Tougas P.S. Plenty of good advice on this already if you try the search engine.
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franksbank New user UK, second star on the right 19 Posts |
Many thanks Corey and Frank
I realise that a totally flat hand is unnatural, so I guess I meant something a little less crunched up than the claw I seem to end up with at the moment as a result of my little finger trying to get across to my thumb and all the other finger tips not wanting to miss out on the party I think the above is due to trying to use the pad at the base of the fingers to be the other side of the grip. I'll work with your hand-on-side method Corey and see how it goes. I'll let you know! Palming all day is something I'm used to so that'll be fine; I can finger and thumb palm all the way through brain surgery now, owing to that method. Many thanks again. FB
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alson Regular user 143 Posts |
Classic palm seem hard because you don't hold your hand naturaly that way .It is something your hands must get use to. Something that may help, does some peoples
and not other, is to start with a larger coin. The classic palm is a great palm it just takes time to learn to do it. I think the video that really explain the classic palm is one by Brad Burt he goes in to great detail to explain it. Just give yourself time and you will get. Alson |
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BobGreaves Regular user London, UK 152 Posts |
I bought Roth and found it very good, except that I don't think he places enough emphasis on the problems and difficulties of the CP. I bought Ian Kendall's CD (http://www.virtualmagicshow.com/stuff/)- Basic Coin Magic. It contains other stuff besides the CP, but it is an outstanding resource.
The other problems I found was that my hands were always "too clean" (washing up liquid plays havoc). |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
I've been attempting to do a great Classic Palm for years!
I can do it but not as well so many others. The muscle on the pinky side of my palm just refuses to cooperate. All hands are different! I use other palms and grips to compensate and often use what some are calling here, by various names, the Dobrina/ Ramsay/ Mutobe/ Angle/ etc. I also 'cheat' and do a relaxed palm, the way we're told not to, with the muscle just below the pinky. If I need a really flat hand I'll use a Purse/Morritt, Front Finger Clip or Thumb Palm. Keep at the Classic. I do and we may get it yet. heheh |
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DomKabala Inner circle I've grown old after diggin' holes for 2827 Posts |
Quote: Corey and Frank are correct. Experiment with coins that are commonly used in your country, as for me an American 1/2 dollar works perfect. Also sharply milled coins help and dry hands are a problem. Try holding the coin in the palm while manipulating a computer mouse for a good workout and practice all the time. Soon the muscle memory will click in and it will become second nature! Good luck!
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what Special user Lehi, UT, USA 643 Posts |
Be sure to visit dan Watkins web site http://www.coinvanish.com and check out the "Foundations" section. It has the best description of a classic palm that I have seen. It cleared up a number of issues with my classic palm.
Mike
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eddieloughran Special user 942 Posts |
I'm English too, and I've not found the current money very easy to work with.
They are too small or too thick. Try the half doller or old pennys. The curled hand is probibily because the coin to held between the thumb and the base of the fingers, were it should be between thumb and side of the hand. Try moving the coin back towards the wrist. |
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
Most of the above posts touch on this but in my opinion to get your hand natural and get the coin from whereever into the correct position for whichever palm requires practise. When you practise it often enough your muscles will get use to the action and perform it a lot easier. To the muscles in your hand, what you are trying to teach it is new and the more you do it (like having the coin in your hand all day) will develop the muscles to an extent where you can do it with ease.
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franksbank New user UK, second star on the right 19 Posts |
Once again, my thanks to all respondents. I've now had a look at the coinvanish site and it really is very helpful. I now have a much better idea of where I've been going wrong and, more importantly, how to get it right.
It's also good(?) to know that I'm not totally out of line in thinking that UK coinage is all the wrong size. I shall be writing to the Royal Mint this very afternoon! FB
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funny_gecko Elite user 436 Posts |
If you hold something like a wand or anything at al really it helps a lot and it looks very natural
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Magnum New user 89 Posts |
You should just practice holding you hand in that position, to make it seem more natural to you. It is all about how natural you percieve it to be, because if you don't act as if it is a problem, no one will think it is.
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spiritx2005 New user 40 Posts |
I'm also in the UK and although I'm no expert I definately find it easier to start a move with a £2 coin, then 50p, then 2p and finally a 10p. My hands are quite large which has advantages and disadvantages but in general I'd say start with the biggest coin.
Good Luck.
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rmoraleta Special user Philippines 767 Posts |
I started practicing the Classic Palm at the age of 8. I could do it very well on my left. I'm just starting to practice with my right. And the solution is persistence as evryone here have already advised.
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epsilon97 Regular user 178 Posts |
My biggest problem with various palms is getting it into position. Instead, of just palming the coin, keep practising placing the coin into the palm. Once the coin is in the palm, it is not difficult to hold it there. The real difficulty is in those first few seconds in palming it. Practice the transfer.
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Albatros Regular user Germany 132 Posts |
Reviving quite an old topic, but now that its there xD
Basically, epsilon, I try to follow the same path that you suggest. Just getting started with Bobo I keep moving a coin all around, for the classic palm I palm it, drop it to fingertip rest and repeat until I drop it Thank god for the possibility to do this while watching TV or even while reading a book O.o
"Palming cards... Like sex, it can be learned by almost anybody,but doing it well requires some native talent and assiduous practice." (John Scarne)
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
Frank, Search Classic Palm or CP in the Nothing Up My Sleeve section. You'll find a TON of useful info and help.
TH
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shellgame-al Veteran user Arizona, USA 352 Posts |
How I would practice the classic palm, is I would always have the coin with me and when I was doing normal things I would have the coin in the palm of hand in doing it. Like at the store picking things off the shelf and putting something in the basket. Everyday normal hand duties that are done with the coin. You need to do the normal things anyway, why not practice at the same time. You will see in time how normal it becomes in your hand.
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