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zhuanan
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Hi guys:


I am new to Coin Magic and I am interested in learning some coin vanish which could show both the hands empty...I know there are a number of versions in the market but I am not sure which one to learn.

Would appreciate if any of you could recommend some versions which:

a) Not too difficult for beginners (I am still learning classic palm)
b) Does not require gimmick

Kindly include the source if you could.

Thanks
Corey Harris
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Your best bet is to buy books. If you don't have Bobo's Book, then you need to get it. It is a must have for any one serious about doing coin magic. In Bobo's book you will find several methods of vanishing and reproducing coins along with being able to do a complete vanish. Good luck, If you have any question feel free to PM me.
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When you vanish a coin and show both hands empty is called a complete vanish. IF you just think about the most convenient place for the coin to be hidden, the trick is to get it there in the most magical way possible.

With classic palm you can do the spider vanish, but its just a gesture showing your hand empty instead of showing both your hands from and back. This is taughtin David Roth Coin magic, Bobo, and a few other places.

Another type of gesture is a wiped-clean. This is gesture moving your hands in a very convincing way to show your hands empty. Michael Ammar has 2 in his book, Kainoa Harbottle has one called Spread, and a few others. David Stone also has one on his Basic Coin magic vol. 1 where you show from and back while concealing the coin which is cool but alittle angly.
Lastly, you can hide the coin somewhere. Your sleeve, topit, misdirection to ditch in a pocket, and the back of your hand. Shoot Ogawa, Apollo(Cultural Exchange), and a few other people have work with that.

Hope this helps
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Start with the basics. J.B. Bobo's Modern Coin Magic can be found in most magic shops. There are quite a few clean vanishes...After you read that mabey look into a dvd. Xtreme Koin Magic is the coin dvd I produced. YOu cah chedk it out on my site. http://www.JoeJesse.com/Videos/media/xkmtrailer.wmv


There are lots of other books out there but Bobo is one of the best as far as a beginner in coin magic is concerned...Later.
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In addition to what joe said I would also recommend Rubensteins videos on coin slights
this is IMO the very best teaching tool for coin slights..
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Jimmy Buffaloe has a vanish in Bobos that allows the mage to show the front and the back of the hands free of coinage after the vanish, just before the reproduction without the use of sleeves or without palming.

Garrett Thomas and Kirk Kokinos both have variations of this vanish. Garretts variation can be found in his lecture notes and on his Any Questions DVD. Kirks variation on this effect, including the Angel Vanish? can be found on his Video BareHanded....

Both are worth your attention...

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From cuffs to pockets, servantes to other people's shoulders, there are lots of options. Keep reading. Smile
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The Messiah Vanish by Jay Sankey (Revolutionary Coin Magic video)is quite good. Kirk Kokinos has some similar vanishes but to do it with his technique your wrists have to hyperflex in a very unnatural looking pose.
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Larry,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the unnaturalness of the style of vanish we are discussing. While the demonstation that Kokinos performs gives the impression that the wrist has to bend out of the way to display open palms or back or the hand, that is simply the way Kirk does it. It is, in my opinion, aslightly overexaggerated handling. I've seen several other excellent performers utilize this form of concealment deceptively and quite naturally.

Of course, if the Barehanded video is the only point of reference you have on the vanish, I dig your opinion on it. While I love the video, I felt Kirks performance was a bit stiff and admittedly unnatural. However, I'm of the opinion that this video was a compilation of ideas for someone looking for a higher plateau of thinking when it comes to vanishing coinage. I challenge you to review the video again or watch a guy like Garrett Thomas or others who actually use the move to see how deceptive it can be.

If not, maybe we can agree to disagree.... Smile


The Messiah Vanish is another one of my favorite vanishes and is my second favorite Sanky Vanish. The Hypno-vanish? is my favorite. The Messiah vanish has a Slydini-esque feel to it.....


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Thanks Guys.

Is there any other places that Messiah Vanish can be learnt other than Sankey's Revolutionery coin Magic? eg. Bobo's book?

What are the advantages of Messiah Vanish? What would the spectator see?
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The basic vanish Sankey uses is not new. It is a variation of the vanish that can be found in Frank M. Chapman's "The Smart Coin", Bobo's pg. 83. Sankey only claims the way he retrieves the coin, not the vanish itself.

Steve Draun has a nice little handling that uses a similar concealment called a Perfect Coin Vanish. Click the name of the routine to view it. In my opinion it looks better, and the recovery is better than Sankey's version.

For those who want the work on Draun's routine it is in the April 2002 issue of MAGIC magazine in the Talk About Tricks section.
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Roth's Expert Coin Magic book, is amazing. His Ultimate Coin Magic dvds also talks about that for which you are looking.
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Personally, Messiah Vanish is the easiest and one of the most hard hitting coin vanishes for me. You can also find this effect in Jay's Greatest Hits in addition to his Rev. Coin Magic.
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Eric,
Kirk's vanish is a variation of others that exist. I was referring to his handling of the vanish and not to any other performers. Personally, I avoid these types of vanishes (they tend to be angly) preferring my best retention vanish and either ditching the coin or using one of several acquitments which I explain in my new book.
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I suggest that you learn a vanish that shows your hands "apparently" empty for a reproduction later. =) Study Bobo.
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Zhuanan:

Once you develop a good vanish, you may want to consider a Coin Rattle as a kicker just before the hands are shown open.

But only AFTER you have a good vanish or two. The Porper Coin Rattle has completely changed the way I finish C/S/B and HH, to name just two.


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Although it may seem quite simple, you want a vanish that you can rely on at all times.

I know now a couple of vanishes but I only use three in particular in my routines.These are the Goshman Toss Vanish, Classic Palm Vanish and Retention vanish. I use these three quite often because these are the 3 vanishes I could sell to the audience the most.

I suggest you do the same. Find one that fits your performance style and one that you are comfortable doing with.

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[I know now a couple of vanishes but I only use three in particular in my routines.These are the Goshman Toss Vanish, Classic Palm Vanish and Retention vanish. I use these three quite often because these are the 3 vanishes I could sell to the audience the most. ]


Would I be able to learn Goshman Toss Vanish, Classic Palm Vanish and Retention vanish from Bobo's Modern Coin Magic? Thanks
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Z, these vanishes were not invented at the same time. There are no shortcuts. If you want to learn the Goshman vanish, you will probably need to see Al Goshman do it. There is a tape he made long ago that will help there. The Classic Palm vanish is not such an easy thing. I remember Al Looey did the thing brilliantly. The BASICS are in Bobo's book. The Retention pass can be found in Bobo's under the title "A Coin Vanish", not to be confused with the Crawford handling that preceeded it.
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A Coin Vanish--Dai Vernon's name always seems to pop up everywhere.He truly was the master.
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