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JohnLamberti Elite user Los Angeles, CA 420 Posts |
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On 2005-06-12 14:11, daffydoug wrote: Not my original idea, but useful nonetheless. |
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Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 5203 Posts |
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Nick B New user London, England 59 Posts |
I've just learned Jumping Gemini myself and have also decided to go with the "4" bike non-guarantee jokers ending - being careful to make sure they're "all" the same way around - as described by Roger above. However, I hadn't considered Nordatrax's point - that the kings can be shuffled straight back into the deck. But I guess the jokers can be too.
The only effect I have used BF cards in (so far...) is factory misprints, which came with one of the Ammar ETMCM videos. Got a great reaction when I did it over lunch for some clients... I like the sound of David Regal's "Cheating". Roger - if it's not breaching Café etiquette, do you know where this effect is wriiten up, or on video / DVD? Best wishes Nick
Nick
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fredrux New user 55 Posts |
Cheating is on the video "Tricks! The Magic of David Regal volume 1"
from L&L publishing Best regards Fredrik Jakobsson |
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Nick B New user London, England 59 Posts |
Thanks, Fredrux
I'll pick it up next time I'm in my local magic shop. Best wishes. Nick
Nick
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greydonthemagician Regular user London, Ontario 149 Posts |
Hey,
Thanx again everyone for your input I will change the cards I use, Laos I will pick that DVD up "Tricks! The Magic of David Regal volume 1" I'm interested in the cheating routine, greydon
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Alejandro Peterson Elite user México 408 Posts |
Another great version is John Guastaferro Trycicle cards, I love this effect
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delgadil Regular user 197 Posts |
I used to do Hamman's "The Twins" before I came across "Jumping Gemini." While I think the Hamman effect has a charming storyline that laymen seem to like, I don't like how the effect uses the same technique (Gemini Count) over and over again.
I now use Jumping Gemini and find that while it doesn't have a story to it, it is still effective. I've found that it works best for me when I perform it briskly - makes it look like I can't even keep track of the Two. I begin by saying "all you need to do is keep track of the two" and get on with it. This trick is a reputation maker and gives the impression of serious skill. Also, when I finish, the put the cards back into the deck, shuffle, and then allow the spectator to look at the deck if he wishes. Kevin |
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
Yeah, I'm bringing this thread back rather than creating a new one. I love this trick and yet it troubles me. On the plus side it is completely impromptu; on the downside it is not really "examinable". Inasmuch as it could be made examinable, it becomes less impromptu, and therefore requires a setup, reset time, etc. After one spectator murmurred something about me showing her the same card four times, I semi-retired the trick. She was astonished throughout, but the secret seems rather obvious. How does one end "cleanly"?
The idea of using two jokers -- promulgated throughout this thread -- had occured to me independently as well (with a similar "wild car" patter line mentioned above). However, this conclusion also seems unsatisfying. I have relegated this trick to my Svengali deck, which I hardly ever use, and performed it only a couple of times as an encore to a Svengali ACR (I keep two jokers in the Svengali). It's good as far as the logic goes (as witnessed in the Sven ACR) and adds further mystery to the cards. The specs think all the cards are twos (because the whole deck was just shown to be all 9s), then these four cards change to 10s, and then (very clearly) to jokers. But nothing can be inspected. Kevin/Delgadil writes: Quote:
Also, when I finish, the [sic] put the cards back into the deck, shuffle, and then allow the spectator to look at the deck if he wishes. Can anyone testify to how succesful this is? I mean, it seems like a pretty intuitive strategy... argh. This trick just bothers me for some reason. It's extremely good while it's happening, but has a certain quality upon completion; a bad aftertaste. I imagine the spectator being astonished, then thinking about the events, and finally sighing to herself "Oh..." And I'm referring to the dreaded "oh" sound that laymen make when they learn the secret of a trick and then immediately become disappointed. Or am I just too self-doubting and projecting my own insecurities on to others?
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!" |
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scorch Inner circle 1480 Posts |
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On 2005-06-13 14:41, Nick B wrote: Yes, but not really. You've supposedly got four jokers, and it's just weird to put them all back in the deck. The spectator will wonder about putting that many jokers in the deck, and you won't be able to fan the deck to prove that they're there. In my mind, this just doesn't pass for ending clean. Plus, this means that you have to make sure that both jokers in the deck are identical. But even though it means it's no longer a FASDIU effect, I do like the joker idea and think that it is somewhat more effective, without the discrepancy of the two pairs of Kings. But then again, it is a surprisingly minor discrepancy. I guess if I were to do Jumping Gemini as a packet trick, I'd use the jokers. But if I were doing it impromptu in the middle of a full deck routine, I'd stick with the kings and end clean. |
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Stilts New user Salt Lake 91 Posts |
Cain,
I have had a lot of success with this trick using the ending as described by Kevin/Delgadil. The phrase that makes it work for me, is to start the trick with a comment like "This trick only uses four cards" as the four cards are cleanly laid out on the table. The trick is about the two of hearts, but oddly enough is called the four king trick, go figure. At the end of the routine I bring the spectator back to the begining line after showing the four kings by cleanly inserting the four cards into the deck and saying "Remember, this was a trick using only four cards (from your deck...if the deck was borrowed at the outset of the effect)". I have never been questioned, or heard the dreaded "oh" after performing this trick and it plays even better if the deck is borrowed. Hope that's enough of a testimonial to help..
Derrick
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
Stilts,
I do find your experiences reassuring. Thanks for sharing.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!" |
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PapaG Special user 851 Posts |
This is one of the strongest packet tricks period. The final sequence, following the shock of the first two, is always like a jolt to the spectator's brain. This is as originally written, without your suggested four joker ending.
Trust me, if you do the trick with confidence and a certain degree of braggadocio, not only does the 4 kings finale always fly, it always stuns the audience. A total gem of a trick. |
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peter teagle Regular user Redditch, UK 195 Posts |
I did this in the pub tonite, it kills, trust me!
PapaG is absolutely right, perform this with confidence and boy, watch those jaws drop! Oh!, and be prepared for lots of strangers wanting to shake your hand and pat you on the back, before they go nuts!! peter
"technique is science.
the application of technique is art." peter teagle |
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jaschris Loyal user 223 Posts |
I perform Jumping Gemini with a display of two identical jokers at the end. Why risk being busted on showing two kings twice?
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
"Why risk being busted on showing two kings twice?"
2things: 1: Because there are 4 kings in a deck, and not 4 jokers(specially not identical ones). 2: One major point is that at the end the cards are apparently all regular 4 of a kind, each being different.... by making them identical that aspect is lost(even if it exist only in the head of the spectator)..... The final display is what sells this effect imho because up till it you are thinking more than 4 cards, gaffed, ect... but the final display shows each card cleanly. I'm sure jokers work for you, but I've never ever ever ever been busted with the finish(and I use 8's which are a ton more visible on suits than kings)... |
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Mark Ennis Inner circle Raleigh, NC 1031 Posts |
I perform the effect pretty much the way Darwin describes it in At The Card Table. I have performed this effect many many times and I have not been busted by the 4 Kings ending. In all reality, if the effect is performed properly, when the spectator sees the first King, they are done.
I have seen Gregory Wilson perform the effect where he adds the kicker of producing the 4 kings. It sounds like a good idea because you have 2 Kings that aren't really being used at your disposal, but I think it is anticlimactic for Jumping Geminii. Now if you had duplicates of the unsued Kings in the deck, you could follow up with a traverllers type effect and be two ahead of the audience.
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Roger Kelly Inner circle Kent, England 3332 Posts |
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On 2005-12-22 03:58, Daegs wrote: Ah, but showing identical jokers keeps in with showing four identical 2 hearts and 10 clubs - does it not? Horses for courses I'd say. But I'm sticking with jokers too! Especially if done with Tally Ho's |
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georgef New user 64 Posts |
Darwin Ortiz' comment about showing the two kings twice is that at this point of the trick, they are totally vulnerable. I can clearly vouch for this. Don't worry about showing the two kings twice. I have NEVER been called on any trick that requires a full Gemini Count, showing two faces as four cards.
I have performed a number of other tricks that require the Gemini Count which shows two cards twice, and the initial shock of seeing the first card (whether it is a king, or whatever) immediately knocks the spectator off balance so that he/she never even bothers to notice that only two suits are showing. Two tricks that come to mind that uses this same Gemini Count are Brother John Hamman's - The Jacks Come Back, and The Magic Cards (not to mention Gemini Twins). Can I ask what general patter do you guys use? I started with Michael Ammar's standard patter in ETMCM, but I am curious if there is a better patter direction to improve the presentation. The only patters I've heard on MVD are pretty straightforward. I know this is a patter question, which may belong somewhere else in the forum, but I wanted to ask those who perform the trick often. Merry Christmas. |
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quanfer New user Milpitas, CA 63 Posts |
Has anyone had problems with the diminishing count? The last move seems really fishy to me, I don't know, I haven't been really caught doing it, but I do notice some looks of suspicion. Especially if I do the trick from a borrowed deck, I always figured the most plausible explanation to the first two phases of the trick is just showing the same card...=/
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