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Amir
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I was thinking to myself today, (right after I came off of my killing spree,) "Man, I could do some really awesome card effects with one of those stacked decks, but which one? Aronson? Tamiraz? (SP?) Nikola." and then it dawned upon me. All these decks are meant to look completely random, right? So I said "Ok, why can't I just shuffle the cards up really nice, so they are completely mixed up, and memorize that!?" So I did. I'm am going to learn 10 cards of the deck everyday, so when I am done, I will have a completely random deck, but memorized.

God I am smart.


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Vandy Grift
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Good luck and have fun. It's not the approach I would use. At a recent lecture Michael Close scoffed at this very idea. Hope it works for you though.

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Memorizing a randomly shuffled deck is not new. The advantage to the Tamariz and Aronson stacks are the effects that are built in. More than likely, your randomly shuffled deck will also have a few built in effects as well.

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I believe Michael Close has done this for years. Anyway, several magicians have.
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On 2005-06-14 17:26, Pekka wrote:
I believe Michael Close has done this for years. Anyway, several magicians have.


I believe that Michael Close uses the Aronson stack. See my post above.
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Charlie Justice
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For the love of all that is holy, if you're going to go through the task of memorizing your own stack then help yourself out and set up some built in effects or you'll limit yourself and your stack.
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On 2005-06-14 17:15, Amir wrote:
God I am smart.
Your thoughts?


youre darwin ortiz.
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Close uses Aronson.

His point about NOT memorizing a random stack is that there is no advantage to doing so. Why waste your time memorizing a random stack vs. memorizing a stack with built-in gambling demos, mental effects and the like? It won't make any difference to a layman.

If you think it will fool magicians, I doubt that. Here's why:

I was able to discern every memdeck effect on a more than one well-known magician's videos on first viewing even though I don't know any stack. That's only because, as a magician I know memdeck's exist, and I think about what is possible with them. That makes it possible to backtrack the method even if I can't reconstuct it.

I suspect that any magician you could fool with a random stack will be fooled anyway.

So while you could memorize a random stack there's nothing to be gained from it, and you have to give up too much.

Learn Ortiz's "Si Stebbins Secret" and use that. It allows you to shuffle a brand new pack into stack order.

There is a very real advantage to being able to do that.
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The funny part is his shuffle did not generate a random pattern. And by the way, smart is a relative term.

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