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Vision Veteran user London 395 Posts |
Hi guys!
do you know any good method for faking a nose bleed convincingly? sincerely, Daniel Young
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unilogo Veteran user Las Vegas , NV 359 Posts |
Palming a blood capsule and bringing it to your nose will probably work.Or a little plastic bag palmed.
Ofcourse however there will be cleanup problems(unless you bring down your hand with the blood causually with the load). Angles would be limiting but very good concidering the size of the capsule or bag. Heck I don't see why you can't leave the capsule there since the start...no one will look inside of your nostrils. Just some thoughts..... |
Vision Veteran user London 395 Posts |
Well, I wanna stick a nail up my nose and then have blood running out so it presents some problems I might just have to poke my "inside" really hard so it happens for real
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Mystician Inner circle Wallachia 3485 Posts |
The only other thing I can think of is a hollow gimmicked nail, but I don't know of any on the market, and there's still the matter of delivery, blood-wise. I suppose with a drill and vise, or even better, a drill press, it wouldn't be too hard to make a hollow nail.
A/B blood probably just wouldn't create enough blood.
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Misty Lee New user 73 Posts |
Hollowing out a nail is a great idea - what about a wider intruder (i.e. a railroad spike or something)? Perhaps a syringe effect here - where (as Mystician suggested) the blood is inside, but you squeeze as you hammer to create the trickle and/or gush effect. I also see no reason why this couldn't be done with a nail (depending on the effect you're going for). It'd have to be custom made, but worth it. A word of caution, though - a fake blood nasal mister might make your sinuses unhappy. Maybe the exit point could be somewhere in the middle of the nail...
You could also (and I have NO idea whether or not this would work) run a tube/bulb mechanism from your palate up through your sinuses, squeeze the bulb with your tongue and make the trickle happen that way. If you can do the thread in through the nose/out the mouth thing, you can do this too, I'm sure. It'd clog most of your airway on that side, though, so you'd end up bleeding from the opposite side of the poke unless you can get a REALLY thin tube. A cute (although gross) comedic opportunity... The bulb mechanism might also work if concealed in your hand, with an exit point adjacent to your thumb nail - a quick and clever hand movement to place the fluid could look natural, since you usually feel a nosebleed before others can see it. I've got a few prop makers names from here in LA. If you're interested in a custom nail, please let me know.
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Vision Veteran user London 395 Posts |
Thanks for the pm's and posts.
I think the hollow nail is the way to go, don't know why I didn't think of that. Gonna hve to get workshopping, need to check if I have the necessary equipment too. Im just wondering if the hollowed out space will be too narrow and the blood too thick for it to run out. And as you said Misty, it will have to be around the middle or closer to the head of the nail, because I don't want blood in my sinus cavities. Sincerely, Daniel Young
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spook Regular user Columbus, OH 150 Posts |
I imagine hollowing out a nail might prove difficult. If the nail were thick enough you could merely file a groove or channel down one side of it (the side away from the spectators, naturally) into which would fit a length of flexible plastic tubing. This in turn would be connected to a small ear-syringe-style squeeze bulb filled with stage blood which could be concealed the the curled fingers as you display the nail between your index finger and thumb. Slide the nail up your snorter and one good squeeze would let forth a real gusher.
I also remember reading that in the nosebleed scene in the movie 'The Fury' the SFX folks concealed the blood in a pair of eyeglasses. Just another avenue of thought. Upon writing this it occurs to me that hollow/groved nails and tubing is way too complicated. Why not just have the squeeze bulb full of blood by itself, fingerpalmed as described, and in the act of 'adjusting' the nail in your nostril insert the tip of the syringe into your nose and squirt some blood up there. I'd assume a sudden nosebleed would offer plenty of misdirection to ditch the bulb. I'd love to see this. For which restaurant do you perform? |
weepinwil Inner circle USA 3828 Posts |
We use to take solder and make fake nails. The head of the nail and everything looks real but is very soft. You should see what happens when someone holds one and hits it with a hammar real hard.
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Bill Fienning Special user 635 Posts |
What about concealing a blood capsule in the folds of a white handkerchief or Kleenex tissue? The capsule must be easy to break open. I have a couple of concerns: 1) The red dye in blood capsules may stain clothing or anything else it touches. Hence, I like the idea of confining the blood to the handkerchief. 2) Use of the handkerchief obviates accidently getting the fake blood in your nose, which seems like a very good idea.
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MopKrayz Elite user 423 Posts |
It is not suggestable to insert A/B blood liquid into your nostril as it is poisonous if used internally.
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msho104882 New user UK, Derbyshire 37 Posts |
Just a couple of thoughts that may help determine the methodology. What sort of effect are you looking for, natural or real damage ? If you are looking for natural most bleeds start with a drop or two. A splash on a surface or a drip down the shirt. If your head is back a trickle down the face. Whichever it is you will notice it. Then there's the panic element. I have something up my nose, that's not supposed to be there, and now my nose is bleeding. How bad is it ? How do you normally find out ? Do you take the nail out or carry on regardless? Whichever, you will want to check "how bad" and normally the natural reaction is to check with the first finger and thumb of either hand by pinching/squeezing/wiping the nostrils. Ideal for something palmed to come into play, to increase the flow if required. You check the smear on your fingers. Smearing always makes it look as though there is more blood than there actually is. If its bad you go for the hanky, kleenex or more dramatically your shirt,with the load hidden inside. Again there's the chance to increase the flow as described by Bill. When you continue it's either by putting the nail back and trying again or pushing the nail in even harder. So my point is.... at the start you may only be looking for a drop or two.
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sinnead zenun Elite user Mt. Makiling 408 Posts |
My suggestion is perform the blockhead successfully as you finish the act...
and accept the applause or shock... then suddenly bloods drips from your nose... so it might seems more natural... |
Vision Veteran user London 395 Posts |
Interesting everybody. The problem is still there to produce the first few drops. Smearing is a very good idea to make it more obvious and make it seem like more blood than there actually is. However Im not to keen on the tissue idea, since that would cover the nail in the process. I would only ever apply a tissue afterwards to kinda plug my nose or whatever, and then you can have a bloodcapsule that you break in the tissue as you roll it into the plug for your nostril.
Anyway, keep the good thoughts coming! Sincerely, Daniel Young
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sinnead zenun Elite user Mt. Makiling 408 Posts |
Usually if we had a nose bleed... we don't notice it at first... we felt some itchyness then when we touched our nose or press it... then we realize that we are bleeding...
after performing the nail act... if you can secretly place the blood capsule (not really familiar with this) into you nose... as if you felt some itchyness... and when you pressed your nose blood runs out... but be sure to press it from the upper part of the nose going downwards... so the blood would squirt out instead of inside your nostril... but don't cover it with your hand so the audience can see it visually... (like when we sneeze pressing our nose... just tilt your hand a bit so the audience can see the bleeding) I suggested this since you ask a nose bleed which is convincingly... rather than having a flooding of blood from your nose which doesn't seems natural.. happy magic |
Euangelion Special user 688 Posts |
Some acting skills will serve you well. When having a nosebleed one is often aware before it shows.
Reach up to nose touch it, maybe twice, snort/sniff in mildly, tiny amount of fake blood to your finger, repeat touch, reveal tiny smear, reach into pocket for hank with larger load. It all starts with nothing seen and only implied then just a touch, then the blood. In their reconstructing I will, gladly, bet you people would say they saw blood from the start.
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msho104882 New user UK, Derbyshire 37 Posts |
Couple of thoughts and personal opinions. I was thinking of a way you could do this. I looked around for "hollow nails" Considered and looked for a syringe mechanism, making a syringe look like a nail. Checked small bore steel tubing, one tube inside another to give you a syringe mechanism. All of them ended up with something fake. I'd looked at it as simply creating a nose bleed. Then I stopped and thought, "Are you doing this for real, putting a six inch nail into your face". If so then why add a fake element, you want it to be real because the blockhead is real, you want it examinable. I've seen the blockhead on TV a couple of times and it was enough for me, it didn't need anything else. I know I like the strange and weird but for me sticking a six-inch nail into my face is not something that's high on my top 50 things to do before I die. Respect to those that do want to do this. Then my darker side kicked in again. If you still want blood then can the blockhead be done with the head tilted back? I don't know because I've never seen it done that way or tried it for myself. If it can then any blood would probably run down the back of your nasal passages and into your throat and you'd want to cough and spit it out......this brings us back to the blood capsule in the mouth and using the hands to cover, which is natural, you could transfer blood to the nose using the fingers. Just ideas may or may not be practical. Just trying to get the creative juices going
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts |
Theatrically, having the blood appear at the end in a hankie is much freakier. The nail comes out, you 'feel' the blood and quickly put your finger under your nose, grab a hankie and wipe it. Flash the blood at the audience before putting it away and moving on.
I'm thinking of all those plague movies where a character coughs into a hankie and sees blood. |
mixnslam New user Las Vegas, NV 12 Posts |
If I read it correctly - your going to jam a nail in your nose and you want it to bleed. This is how I done it before and that was making my own blood capsule. You can buy the empty capsules and add the blood. Before adding the blood I would puncture the bottom of the capsule with a pin. Push from bottom up. Then insert the capsule in your nose with the hole facing down. The hole will be small enough to still keep the thick fake blood still in there. Once you put the nail in your nose you need to hit the tip of the nail with the pin hole. Once it goes in it will take a couple seconds before blood comes out but once you push the nail to the top of the capsule it will release a good amount of blood. Also note that the capsules are dissolving so moisten the bottom of the capsule to soften it for easier puncturing with nail. When you pull the nail out put it in a tissue to dispose of the capsule and if the audiense happens to see it they will think its snot. Also the top of the capsule stops nail from going too far.
On the other hand if your doing the nail inserted in the nose that goes in the open area above your mouth, Then do the same thing but puncture the capsule on the side and when your putting it in your nose, make it look like your holding your nose to help guide the nail but in turn press the capsule to force the blood out. After taking the nail out and your done with the blood, bring a tissue to your nose and blow the capsule out to dispose of it. Also test the different fake bloods before using for reality and thicknesses. Don't use one too thick and buy the good stuff. Good luck and happy bleeding on what ever way you choose.
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bobser Inner circle 4179 Posts |
Actually Daniel I think you're on the money. Simply do 'Blockhead' with a 'nine inch' nail and don't bother to blunten it.
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