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What possible moves (beside the Himber Click Pass and Hang Ping Chien) can I use to false count 2 coins as three? Also, where would I be able to learn these moves? Thanks.
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David Stone had a method in his "Cocoon" lecture notes.

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Assume you have two coins in your RH
1. Push one coin into CP
2. False transfer the remaining coin using ROV to your LH
(Leaves coin on fingertip rest)
Say "One"
3. Click pass the CP'ed coin into your LH
Say "Two"

4. Toss the coin (in RH finger-tip) rest into your LH
Say "Three!"
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Real people don't count groups of less than five or so. Really. From the pop-up thing in Roger Klause's routine Coins for Connoisseurs, to the Himber thing... nice but stylized. Unless you like doing impersonations of the Count from Sesame Street. all the coins I've dropped here
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When showing more coins than you actually have, I've always timed my my count so that it is excecuted as I deliver a statement briefly mentioning the amount of coins. In other words, if I'm doing a count with 3 coins as 4, I perform the count and say, " Here I have four coins."

The way I've done the count, the more observant spectators have seen what they believe is four coins, and as I'm not paying attention to my hands(and am making eye contact), the spectators shouldn't either. I guess what I'm trying to say is try not to make a move of it.....

And NEVER.....EVER...... count 1, 2, 3, 4

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Guys: It's for Paul Harris' Quarter Caper from AOA. You clink two coins in your hand, pretending that a third coin has arrived. You have to show it somehow, that's why I'm working on a false count. I guess "false display" would have been a better term.
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There are two original false counts that I use all the time which are explained in my new book 21st Century Coin Mechanics. Click the link at the bottom for more info or look for the ad in September Genii Magazine.
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Here's a quick and easy, but very natural one I just worked out. I may have recreated something of Tamariz's, I haven't read "Moneas y Moneas" yet, I can't even spell it. However,

Start with two in your right hand. Suggest it's three. Shove one out with your thumb, and it lands on your left fingers, closer to the fingertips. Thumb out the next, and it lands on your palm, more or less in CP position. Duplicate your actions for the "third" coin, and with the same rythym, close your left fingers, causing the coin on the fingers to jump up onto the coin in the palm. With the proper timing, that jumping coin creates the perfect illusion of a third coin landing in the hand.

Try it before his gets moved to "Secret Sessions". Remember to just be cool about it. Smile
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I'll attest that Eric's count works really well. I was fortunate to hang with him while I was in VA last week. Eric tell my Nemesis Jonathan I say Hello Smile
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I teach a couple of new false counts at the New York Coin Magic Seminar. One of my counts, the Pseudo Himber Count, will be in Genii in the next few months. My favorite, however, is only available to the Seminar attendees for now!
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I believe Troy Hoosier has a coin false count in Destroyers, a very good one, but now that Jonathan mentions it, counting less than five coins might be causing more heat than removing it.
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Did I mention that I have a great false count. is a 99 for 100 count. Most of the spectators fall asleep by the time I get to 40 or 50 so it goes right by them. Hahaha!

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Mr. Kavalsky and Mr. Kam, thank you very much. I practiced both of your false counts and they work very well.
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On 2005-06-22 12:21, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Real people don't count groups of less than five or so.

I think this depends upon the situation. Was it Al Schneider who suggested going to a store and buy a Herschey bar with a ten and see what happens?

For example, in a pub yesterday I ordered two drinks with a ten pound note. The barmaid gave me my change by counting four pound coins into my hand, one to four (followed by a few washers). All perfectly natural.

In environments where correct change is important, people often do count low numbers (particularly at places like market stalls where they don't have electronic cash machines to tell them how much money to give back). So I guess whether you do this in magic depends upon your presentation.


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I do a false count with coins. I start with 3 coins and secretly get rid of one in the action of putting another object away. So I am on ahead. I then casually count without count aloud the 2 coins as 3 and then make on evanish.
The count is basically, a Biddle count with coins. Holding 2 in the right hand from above, just as you would do with cards. Only I do it with coins. It looks and more importantly sounds like 3 coins.

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Chad...I have your video in which you teach the Biddle (coin) count....its very effective and elequently simple...I highly recommend.

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