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I think Osterlind's stuff is amazing, and I have a lot of respect for him. Reading the original thread, I think it's fair to say that he overreacted. I was a little surprised, and thought that a couple of his posts crossed the line.

It looked to me like most people (not all) were offering sincere opinions, and trying to back them up (FWIW, I'm not a performer but I think I agree with Osterlind's point of view on the subject of TV shows and stooges--that is, I think his argument throughout that contentious thread was the superior one). Why he felt it necessary to come down so hard on people who were apparently not trying to cause him any offense was puzzling--maybe even a bit childish.

Everyone has their moments. Maybe he can shake it off and put it behind him. I certainly don't think any less of him for his (pretty mild, really) outburst.

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Thank you My. Busch for typing my thoughts so succunctly. Of course I expect nothing less than from another master teacher. Kudos and great respect go out to Messers Osterlind, Busch, Banachek and others that I don't know who have given so freely to help raise the quality of learning and of our great PERFORMANCE ART!!!

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Travis needs to read Mr. Busch's post and truely absorb it.
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And what makes you think I haven't?

I found Mr. Osterlind's argument more compelling than the others put forward. It would have been equally as convincing without the harsh rhetoric. Why is it so hard to accept that he may have been a bit rude? I don't judge him for it, I don't think it's a big deal, and I also don't try to rationalize it or shove it under a rug.

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Is this another one of those posts where people simply need to agree to disagree ?

Then we can all move on..... to thinking about Mentalism and Magic again ?!





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I have said this before and I am going to say it again as I feel very very strongly about it.

Unlike many of the members of the Café Richard Osterlind as a workign professional performer, who makes his living from performing. However he has spend substancial amounts of time responding to people here on the forum and masses of time in replying to his ever full inbox here at the Café. Richard makes no money, nothing from taking time out and listenign to people, helping them toward a better understanding of the art of mentalism and magic as a whole.

He could have spent this time creating and marketing, but he didn't. Hew could have spent that time with his family, but he didn't. He spent it with a group of stangers who then turned round and bit him in the back.

Whether or not you agree with Richard's opinions regarding anything at all, he deserves respect. He is a real world performer and not an armchair analyst. He has been there and done it in the real world. He therefore knows what plays well with audiences and what simply goes down the pan.

He has chosen to share his experience with us, and for that I know I for one am truly indebted. Can you imagine if a wannabe singer could meet Anastacia and take advice from her? Wuld they not be greatful, I am pretty sure they would not treat her like some have treat the perosn at the top of our "tree".

Richard is the cream of the crop when it comes to mentalism, and many of us know that. However he never speaks down to people, he respects the people for as long as they respect him. He understands that age does not equal wisdom, but has experiences he would like to share with us, at no cost.

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After taking a few days to cool down (and travel far too many miles) I can finally add my comments, which are:

(1) Richard Osterlind aided and counseled me, and improved my magic (and at least one personal concern in my private, non-magic life) both via his published material and in private. That he opened up as freely, as completely as he has done on these boards is unbelievable. That he hadn't been attacked so brutally prior to this is amazing. It may be because he'd never opened up quite as completely as he did with his last thread; he quixotically hoped he'd be able to stave off bad mentalism.

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