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Geoff Weber
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McBride's cards are poker size.. he sells them on his website
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I can only say with regard to manipulation cards that they are like gloves, on the hands that fit in them , belonging to you, and noone else. I can imagine someone learning McBride's video set with Jumbo-sized playing cards.
The only thing I can say is that as long as you are confortable, do it. It may be a bad idea to purchase an expensive deck of manipulation cards to learn on. Just as it's a bad idea to buy your 16 year old son a Jaguar. The mechanics of the moves vary only slightly with the size and thickness of the card. And so, the cards bend to your will rather than your will bending to the cards.
To the budding manipulator I can only reiterate the support for the writings of Jean Hugard and Arthur Buckly.
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Has anybody tried Fox Lake brand cards? They are bridge-sized cards with poker patterns on the back...they are much easier to handle because they are smaller, and the spectators assume that they are poker-sized. Smile
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Are decks that you make that much different than the ones you can buy? I'm not sure how you make them so I don't know all the specifics. Would somebody pm me and explain?
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Most of the manipulation cards are bridge sized. Poker sized cards look better from the audience" view. I have used the old Steamboat, Hoyle and, other red backed decks for split fan production with success. The thinner cards have the advantage of allowing you to backpalm more but I find other manipulations including card spinning not as easy. The Neilsen flesh color was a good idea but too bad he didn't make them in Poker size. The Marvey cards I wouldn't recommend. I do not use fanning powder on the cards.

The cards I am currently using are red poker size cards called Diamond Back PGC (Professional Gambling Cards)made by Hoyle. They are borderless and seem to hold up to the stresses of card manipulation quite well.
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I practice under the hardest conditions with cards. It gets me more ready for any situation that comes my way. Right now I have an old sticky deck of Bee brand cards with the corners cut off to make the mercury production extremely hard. I practice and practice. So now I can get handed a deck from anywhere and just perform.

Ps-the split fans are extremely hard to get with a sticky deck. I think they are impossible so far.
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On 2002-10-21 23:40, Jeb Sherrill wrote:
Good question. I guess it depends on where you live. Here in Texas you can find Bees at Grocery stores, but stores like Wal-mart carry mostly Bicycle and Aviator. You can order them by mail though, from the same guys make them that make Bicycle and most of the others. There should be contact information in the card boxes and of course you can always try the web. I'm sure someone here will know some good sites.

Good luck!

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PS Sometimes you can find them cheap, in bulk, from Casinos. They aren't exactly Bee cards, but they're about the same, with a similiar design.


I just found Murphy's online: http://www.magicgeek.com/products/zmurphysmanipulation.html
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I use Bee cards that I've put through 'heck' with a pencil and a flat surface until they have lost most of their stiffness. It is quite tedious to prepare two or three decks in this manner but it is well worth it in the long run, as the 'air cushioning' on the cards makes them spread smoothly even after many many hours of practice. If you don't have McBride 2, there is also a description of how to prepare normal cards for manipulation in Lewis Ganson's card manipulation book. It's almost the same info. I also keep my cards in a Nielsen card clamp. Some people I've talked to are skeptical as to the usefulness of this device but I can personally say that I can't imagine not having it now. Yes, you could just use woodclamps or something, but the nielsen clamp makes the cards easily transportable.

A note about McBride's so-called manipulation cards...I ordered a few packs of them "just to have" and one pack to play with. The cards are pretty and make a neat collector's item but as manip cards they are junk. They don't spread nicely, they are just as thick as standard cards, and they don't even have pips on all four corners. I like McBride but I can't help think that he put out some cheap card stock with his logo and called them "manipulation" cards so that schmos like myself would buy them.
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Hmm.. it depends.

Seriously speaking, I prefer using Bee brand cards for manipulation. It looks prettier from the audiences view because it is Poker size. The only disadvantage is that it is thick. I hope someone will make Poker size manipulation cards with thin or super-thin stock, that will be perfect!

And of course if you practice card manipulations with a regular Bee deck, you will be able to produce much more cards with a thin deck.
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Walgreen has the Bee brand decks.

As to what type of cards to use, I personally like the Norm Nielson cards for Cardini single card production and the Bees for split fan productions when I do my shows. I find the Bees hold up alittle better on the split fan. I practice with newly broken in Bee Brand. I like the stiffness for maintaining hand strength.
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I like manipulation cards for split fans. They have four pips and look a lot better. I plan to use gloves in my routine so I guess I have to make my own. I get to see the bad points of using bridge size cards. I think they are harder to pivot. I've come up with a card catcher to make the card productions more magical. I am not going to rely on it but it is a helpful thing to break the boring card manipulation routines. If anyone wants the learn about the catcher just pm me.

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I have tried the Murphy Manipulation cards and they are great. I have a deck of the Peter Marvey cards and I think they are pretty lousy. I have a couple of Julianna Chen decks and they are good for manipulation also. Anyone have the JC cards?
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I have a question. Is it EASY to backpalm a pack of Murphy's cards? I can backpalm 7 unbroken in bicycle cards, so would
I be able to backpalm a deck of murphy's? Also since the cards are so thin it seems like single productions would look bad and that the cards wouldn't spring all the way up when you produce them. I'm kind of skeptical but I want to try some of these cards out because I have been practicing with bicycle cards and want a break!


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Actually, the Murphy's spring back very well. They are not as springy as regular cards, but then, if you've broken regular cards in for manipulation, they aren't all that springy either. Murphy's seem to be the best balance of thinness and springyness to me. (thinness and springyness, are those even words?)

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<<I be able to backpalm a deck of murphy's?>>

While it's possible, you should evaluate the reason for doing so. If it's for fan production, you can always use much fewer cards and reload if necessary. If you're producing backpalmed singles, then your audience is likely to be braindead by the 15 card produced, so producing more really isn't necessary. Murphys are very good for fan production because of the number of cards which can be backpalmed, but I don't see needing a full deck in backpalm. (Others may disagree.)

I agree with Sable in finding that the Murphy cards have quite a bit of spring, especially considering their really thin stock.

Of course, nothing quite has the spring of a fresh pack of Bee's in new deck order.

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I have Murphy's cards and like them a lot. I am going to use them in a routine in a talent show at my school. Thanks again for all the advice on which cards to buy!
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On 2002-10-22 00:40, Paul Menzel wrote:
FC,

If you have an Albertsons near you, they may have some Bee decks at times. You might pay a buck more for Bees than Bikes, but that's still less than you'll spend on manipulation cards. Just be sure to buy several decks if you find them, since they can be difficult to locate!
Paul M.

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Ever wonder what the Bee Company thinks of this topic? LOL!

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On 2003-01-04 19:05, Clarence wrote:
I hope someone will make Poker size manipulation cards with thin or super-thin stock, that will be perfect!
Clarence,

Train your hands as a body builder would.
I glue 5 cards together and practice a PIVOT for ten minutes at a time - a long time if you've tried.
Do that 10 or 15 times a day and you'll find your hand is adaptable.

Master the 5gluecard and you can handle anything!
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lol yea!

Anyway, i just recieved my Peter Marvey's manipulation cards. They are pretty lousy for it's selling price.

They are much stiffer and the finish kinda sucks. It is not even good for split fan productions. You may get discouraged because of the sniffness of the cards.

Its kinda difficult to backpalm the same thickness as you can with Bee cards.

Although it is stiff and harder to backpalm a thicker amount of Peter Marvey's manipulation cards.. you attually produce alittle more cards with that thinner packet. You will also train your finger muscles much more with this cards i think.

I guess Murphy's manipulation cards is still the best. I like Norm Nielson's deck too.
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for me the best is STEAMBOAT
really good for performing Smile
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On 2002-12-31 20:09, Zauber280 wrote:
I use Bee cards that I've put through 'heck' with a pencil and a flat surface until they have lost most of their stiffness. It is quite tedious to prepare two or three decks in this manner but it is well worth it in the long run, as the 'air cushioning' on the cards makes them spread smoothly even after many many hours of practice. If you don't have McBride 2, there is also a description of how to prepare normal cards for manipulation in Lewis Ganson's card manipulation book. It's almost the same info. I also keep my cards in a Nielsen card clamp. Some people I've talked to are skeptical as to the usefulness of this device but I can personally say that I can't imagine not having it now. Yes, you could just use woodclamps or something, but the nielsen clamp makes the cards easily transportable.

A note about McBride's so-called manipulation cards...I ordered a few packs of them "just to have" and one pack to play with. The cards are pretty and make a neat collector's item but as manip cards they are junk. They don't spread nicely, they are just as thick as standard cards, and they don't even have pips on all four corners. I like McBride but I can't help think that he put out some cheap card stock with his logo and called them "manipulation" cards so that schmos like myself would buy them.
Zauber280 - McBride's manipualtion cards that he sells are the exact ones he uses during performances. I met him in October and watched him perform. I do not have a deck of his cards, but, I do know he uses them throughout his manip. routine. By the way, what brand of cards have you ever seen that had pips on all four corners? I am not being honery, I'm just curious. Sincerely, Lee.
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