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Dario
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Hello,

I'm not trying to improve wonderfull Max Maven's effect included in his Video Mind series V.I. I want just share my idea with you and see if you have some opinion or suggestion about it.

In my act I wanted to make a trick between the audience, ending with two persons on the stage for a next trick. Because of this, rhythm and atmosphere, I prefer the situation of the kurotsuke trick where you end with two spectators one having the black stone and one having the white one and finish the trick with them on stage.

1)You talk about a game of life and death, a russian roulette between samurais, a satanic ritual or something like this. The one who gets the black stone will die! (comedy or bizarre potential here).

2)Then you proceed as the Max Maven effect, but just naming first the spectators that you are sure that have the white ones. So you end with two spectators on stage and 50% of possibilities.

3)Now you say to one spectator: "Don't worry you won't die today" and ask to the other one to open his hand:

-If he has the white one: "You have the white one". And to the other spectator "I told you not to worry because AS YOU CAN SEE I knew that you where the one with the black one, but this is only a trick and you won't die."

-If he has the black one: "You are the one who will die." And to the other spectator "AS YOU CAN SEE I knew that you have the white stone so he will die."Ok. not worry is just a trick, etc." Or perhaps kill him. You will get a lot of publicity in the news. I have find the perfect publicity stunt!

Any comment?,
Best Darío

P.D.1:If you think in other trick for get a similar result (7 keys version or something similar), please make me know it.

P.D.2: I recomend you the Charles Gauci's version Body Language. You can do this presentation, letting the black one to the end and be 100% sure, the only thing is that this is 99$ more cheap and impromptu...
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Dario, that's very nice thinking on the end. It's definitely a nice subtlety.

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Thanks,

You have to timming your actions of course. You give the importance to the "Don't worry you won't die today" and you ask the other spectator to open his hand then as in a double take you peek what the other has and proceed in a way or another

Darío
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I think this is a great presentation of the effect. I love the plot too! I have Gauci's version and in honesty I prefer the original, you feel very clean and I think I like the fact you have to work a little harder in Maven's method - like there is more skill needed , which I like.

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Beautiful thinking, nice double talk. And it's really convincing that you knew which one got the Korotsuke
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Thanks! Kurotsuke is not something to use everyday but when the opportunity presents itself, it can be very very strong.
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I have find another convincer for the worst situation (in a less impromptu performance):

It's a little difficult to explain with words and with my english. Remembering that all is like a casual peek of the other spectator opening the hand, so you are giving the importance to one person , and once you have peek in the very same moment what the other spectator has you do an action or another.Lets asume that you are adressing to the one that have the black stone. Your words:

"You won't die today...my friend,(you peek a white one in the other espectator hands) because this is only a game. If this where real you are Death.

When you say this you can handle a novelty retractable knife (that's the convincer) over the head of the spectator you are adressing, for reeinforce the idea that this what the out, "killing" in a psicosis way the spectator showing taht he don't die.

(Of course, if you see that is the other espectator the one with the black stone then you reinforce the idea that you knew that the one with the white stone won't die and you go to "kill" the other spectator..."don't worry is just a fake knife")

Best an good luck!,
Darío
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Really cool wording. Is there a resource of variations for the Kurotsuke.
I have a couple of my own - its a great principle
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Ditto that! great thinking and routining.

Kudos

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You could also use black and white chess pieces for your "Game of Death."

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Bringing this back into my act today for platform show. Would like to hear others real world reactions to this Gem. Thanks Max!

I think I know why Max only used 5 spectators:

1) Shortens the length of the routine.

2) Not hard on the memory work:)

3) Reduces the chance of spectator goof ups.
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I came up with a routine that I like. Use either method.
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Used this tonight and it went great! 7 stones to 7 people, and I got the dark stone first hit!!!! Had about 25-30 people.
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I like your presentation idea and the double-talk.

But: why don't you just use only two spectators from the very beginning - since it is a matter of life and death the difference between 20% chance (five spectators) and 50% chance (only two) becomes irrelevant.

Just my 2ct ...

S/
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Hey,
was just wondering if anyone knows if there is a routine similar in effect to Kurotsuke which uses an impression device?

This is all I will say for now because I have come up with an idea for a (possible new) killer method with an added word revelation after (inspired by Derren Brown's routine). (Note: with this idea the effects can be done impromptu so long as you have a walkaround impression notepad or such on you).

Any help is appreciated.

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I just never liked the Maven version. It looked far too suspect to me holding the bag all the time..

However I have an interest in this effect for a specific presentation. And may invest in equinox. I believe the additional ability to not go near the bag or touch anything is worth it for me.

Has anyone used it?
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Ok, even though I love darkness... I think the routine is great BUT - maybe you already are doing this- do not word it as "you will die".. as imagine the very remote chance the person gets into an accident within a week... and sues you (or the relatives of the deceased if he really dies)...

More... "marked for death"... but there is a way out of course.. and your next routine lifts the curse.

Maybe I worry too much. But supposedly some performers get into trouble in the wrong places doing these things Smile... hate to see you burned at a stake! (Death tricks are funny - I've been polishing Parr's Game of Life and Death for a few years)
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On 2005-11-06 03:17, SHoT wrote:
I like your presentation idea and the double-talk.

But: why don't you just use only two spectators from the very beginning - since it is a matter of life and death the difference between 20% chance (five spectators) and 50% chance (only two) becomes irrelevant.

Just my 2ct ...

S/

There are a few reasons why just using 2 people would be a poor way of doing this. Firstly, it is only a 1 in 2 as opposed to a 1 in 5. You said this yourself. A 1 in 2 is not very impressive.
Also, using more people makes the piece bigger. It generates more audience interest. It gets people talking about you more, and invloves more of your audience physically, which makes them feel included. Therefore they enjoy your show more. Every performer knows this. Or should know it.
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