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Eric Dittelman Regular user Astoria, NY 179 Posts |
Great quote and great post! I definately agree. You can always learn from any example, good or bad.
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Bill Nuvo Inner circle 3094 Posts or 2742 Posts |
I was considering a similar levitation like the one criss did on the chair, escalator...he beat me to it.As already posted, it is a variation of another levitation out there.
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On 2005-07-29 11:51, MopKrayz wrote: you clearly don't understand why the double was used. s |
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
Like David and Franz, Chris treats the performing space he works in as his "on-stage" area, even if it is outside. The "complete" illusion is created for those watching on the t.v. screen at home (the theatre "house"). Just imagine if you could move a theatre audience and the angle they are viewing your performance to any position you wanted.
This use is no different than an audience member wanting to sit at the side, or behind an illusionist. Just think, this is why all the "backstage" illusions were created. To allow the audience to think they were getting at "the works". I hate to disillusion you but Chris does use tricks (methods, gimmicks, props - whatever you wish to call them). Look at the whos who on his (magical) support team. I agree that the audience for Chris' type of magic might be limited, but I would certainly like to know what the targeted demographic is, and, after a couple of shows, what the ratings are, and more so what group is watching. I am sure A&E is watching, I am sure Chris' team is watching, how about someone who has access to this info posting it. (Not the confidential type stuff, but the overnight and monthly type stuff - anyone???) The shows are definately not meant for a "magical" viewing audience. But which group??? Blair Marshall "ShaZzam!"
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Caveat Lector Elite user 493 Posts |
The show is geared towards "real" people, not magicians. You would never make any money if you gearded your show towards people who were in the industry. I have friends who build motorcycles for a living and they don't watch OCC because it's like watching work, they do it everyday. The demographic is for the 18 to 35 year old males who make up a large percent of people who want really "cool" and "incredible" things to watch. They are the people who play video games and who watch MTV. His show is gearded for the new and modern audience, people who don't want to watch another variation on the change bag or professors nightmare. I work in nightclubs, fairs, tattoo conventions, horror conventions, theme parks, and open for national and local bands and you have to bring it when you perform to these audiences. They want the whole 9 yards and more, fire, blood, loud music. We are competeing with a more technological advanced audience today, they see things in movies and on the net and the news and they want that type of excitiment when they go to a show. I think it is a very exciting time for magic now that someone is on TV doing effects that aren't lame or just plane too pretty. Just my opinion, but I make a nice living out of freaking people out and doing effects that are over the top. Until Anon....
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
Caveat,
Great comments. This is what I was looking at. But would be great to hear who the show is actually reaching (different to who it is aimed at) and whether this is who A&E want to attract. I agree it is aimed at the generation you mention, I have a 17, 19 and 21 in this house, and I couldn't even interest them in taking a look at the show!! Let alone buy a ticket for this show if it was here "live'. Oh yes, the warped tour is in town this week!! Blair Marshall "ShaZzam!"
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croman New user usa 64 Posts |
Its hard to find out his levitation because he combined few tricks into one,and he did some video editing.Looks great,but can be done just on tv.
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jynx Loyal user Pueblo, Colorado 242 Posts |
CRISS ANGEL MINDFREAK PREMIERE BREAKS RECORDS
1. Number 1 rated original cable program of any cable network for the entire night in the 25-54 demo; 2. Number 2 original cable program of any cable network in the 18-45 demo for the entire night (but Number 1 from 10:30-11:00); 3. Lowest median age premiere at 33 in the network's entire history 4. The A & E night was .8 for Dog the Bounty Hunter in the 8-9 hour; .9 for the Inked premiere at 9 and a 1.3 for Mindfreak at 10:00 (thus the show built on the network's entire night which is not easy) 5. Highest rated show for both household and key demos in the 10:00 Wednesday hour for the entire year for the network 6. Mindfreak beat the network key demo averages by 127% (18-45) and 91% (25-54) with well over 1 million views in each demo. 7. Mindfreak grew slightly--adding viewers--over the course of the hour. Quote:
On 2005-07-29 19:08, the Sponge wrote: There was not a body double used. Criss was the man on fire. I seen it with my own eyes. Please review my previous posts on this subject.... |
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On 2005-07-30 03:06, jynx wrote: Great! please tell everyone exactly what you saw as Chris(?) fell onto the plywood, vanished, and became one of the extinquishers. <since this is the point were many believe a double and editing was used.> cant wait to hear about this part! s |
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jynx Loyal user Pueblo, Colorado 242 Posts |
What you seen on tv is what I seen being there live. I seen him practice how he was going to walk before there was any crowd and even before there were guard rails. I seen him practice the whole thing with the camera crew acting as if they had cameras. I seen them set up their cameras. I seen them lite him on fire. I was no more than 15 feet from him directly to his right. He looked in my direction when he got the crowd pumped up."I can't hear you Vegas." He did seem to have some kind of liquid on his face. (Which you can see on the show.) I watched him walk around on fire while they filmed it. I seen him fall on the board and be put out. I seen him pull the mask off his face and it was still the same person. What you seen on tv is what I seen there live. I was there and seen everything with my own eyes. I left there speechless! You can beleive me or not, it makes no difference to me. I know what I saw and it is something I will never forget.......
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mixnslam New user Las Vegas, NV 12 Posts |
As what was said before check the smoke. I didn't get a big chance to review the burned alive in depth but there is a difference in the smoke and since I edit video professionally, I would say that there looks like an edit was made right in the middle of the smoke but if you really think about it. Criss is a really good illusionist and it is possible for him to pull off this with out an edit.
I would say that I need to review it a little more but I feel what this man says he saw is possible. Now I just want to make a comment in regards to a post that a guy said was commenting about camera trickery and made it sound negative about Mindfreak being good for the laymen. Well let me say your right it is for laymen and that's what it should be for. The laymen are what keeps us performing and its their expressions and ability to question what they saw that keeps our art special. If you want magic on your TV for magicians then order a video from L&L Publishing or another company and throw it in your dvd or vcr and presto, there you go. Lets keep in mind that Criss and his effects are unique because he worked them for himself. Lets not try and copy what he does but make our own routines including ourselves unique. Make your show different from others. Keep the laymen watching and the art will be alive. Good job to Criss and his crew for some outstanding shows.
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MopKrayz Elite user 423 Posts |
What if there was no body double?
what if Angel had a black costume under his hood and trousers? what if the hood and trousers were a break apart costume? what if he took off the costume, left it on the boards, pulled on the black mask on his face, crawled a few feet away out of camera covered by the c02 cloud, picked up a fire extinguisher and entered back into the scene... the live audience would see just what everyone saw on tv, due to the cloud of c02. all the editing that be had to be done was to cut out a few seconds, and make him reappear instantly instead of after 5-10 seconds. |
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jynx Loyal user Pueblo, Colorado 242 Posts |
There could be many many methods am I correct? Why does everyone have to read into and analyze every effect? Is it necessary to watch the show frame by frame just to post about what secrets or mistakes you can come up with? What is wrong with just facing the fact that you have been mystified? Why can't people just enjoy the show? I only posted because I was there and wanted to tell people what I experienced.....
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troller Loyal user 276 Posts |
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On 2005-07-30 04:08, the Sponge wrote: Ever think that the clothes were burning from the back. That made an escape route. And the 45 seconds were for the clothes to burn thru. Once he fell to the floor the smoke created by the helpers putting out the fire, gave him lenty of time to jump up, grab a extinguisher and look like part of the helpers. Of course he was dressed below his original clothes with that black jump suite looking thing to look like on eof his helpers. The levitation thing is great. Of course something with the power of lifting 200 or more pounds. Silent and made to be consealed within the environment. Noticed that he walks towards a flower bed alongside the street when performing the levitation on a street corner. But here is one that is pretty neat, he walks up the side of a building - horizontally and even walks back down. This is probably going to air soon so look for it. There is a cut shot between him walking up and walking down, so I assume that the illusion had to be adjusted in mid performance. But it still looks darn good. And there are spectators around so there can't be anything too obvious for them to see. I love when performers take an idea and make it even that much more spectacular. Levitating inches off the ground is nothing compared to Criss Angel's way. And if it is available, as I hope it is, I expect it to cost a few dollars more since it is new. But once the masses get a hold of it, then someone will have to come up with something even better. What's next.... levitating the height of a building? How about disapearing in front of people's eyes and not having anything in to help you with it like a cloth. Simple - poof, gone, poof, reappear! Keep up the good work! Quote:
On 2005-07-30 15:14, jynx wrote: For this I would have to say, we are all magicians here talking about our craft. We are trying to discover new methods of performing and tricks to elivate us to the next level of being a MAGICIAN. If we want to know how a trick is done it is solely for the purpose of using it in our own repertoir. I am sure the masses of people out there do not log onto this forum nor do they log onto any magic forum. They live their lives watching special such a Criss Angel's and David Blaines and get a kick out of it. I need to improve my magic by learing from these shows and perhaps maybe, one day, I might be able to have my own special. But first, I need to learn how to think up new tricks by seeing the techniques of past ones and improving on them. Hopefully this forum will provide some assistance. |
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BradG. New user 2 Posts |
There are a few good suggestions on how Criss might have pulled the switch, but if you watch the crowd there is a completely different group of people there as soon as the smoke clears.
I am not sure why other than the obvious, but it is an interesting topic. |
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
BradG.
come on now, jynx has assured us he was there and saw the exact same thing we saw. you must be wrong about the crowd. s |
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Drs_Res Veteran user 325 Posts |
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On 2005-07-31 02:49, the Sponge wrote: Come on now, we ALL know that jynx is a Mindfreak stooge! He is disseminating misinformation on the various magic forums and BBS to keep us all off track. It's a conspiracy I tell you!! BTW jynx, just kidding. All of the above said with tongue planted firmly in cheek. Have a on me.
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a-spirit New user 61 Posts |
There have been so many great illusions done on TV that are done on stage in front of an audience. Why are we now seeing so many shows using camera cuts and edits? And now Magicians are justifying them in Magic magazine articles. If camera and edit tricks are acceptable then I guess the world really doesn't need Magicians. Hollywood can put out much better special effects shows than any Magician could.
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troller Loyal user 276 Posts |
I think I just saw a person that appeared both on David Blaines specials and Criss Angels. In the restraunt scene, right after he does the levitation, there is audience reaction. Some guy says "Did you see that, did you see that?"
The next guy, starts to explain what he saw. He is a short haired guy sitting with a friend and an old man with glasses. This same guy, I think, is the same guy in David Blaine's levitation, the one where he is standing on the road, while cars are driving on it. The spectator in that version, is the same guy, a bit older but it looks like the same guy. And to top it all off, he even freaks out the same way as he did on Blaine's video as he does on Criss's version. Hmmmmm.... now go look and tell me I am wrong! Upon seeing that levitation done in the restraunt, I see something. Look at when Criss prepares for the levitation. His arms are extended outwards. And he is still for a couple of seconds or so. Look at the right leg of the chair, there is a shadow that moves. Eventhough Criss does not move, and no one from the audience moves either. The shadow shows an upward movement, as if something is being manuvered, and then Criss starts to levitate. Oops! Caught something. So I don't see the apparatus, but if anyone was in the club, then I am sure they must have seen it since the lights revealed it someplace between Criss and the lights. Perhaps the people in the club were friends. There is a shot of Criss doing the levitation in the middle of the street, but it seemed similar to the escalator type lift. There are other times he levitated 5 feet in the air. Why the difference? I do like the effect, it is quite convincing. There is no visible means of lift. I hear that we must concentrate on electric hydraulics. They cost a lot of money, thus out of reach of most magicians. So it will be a long time before this effect will be done by the masses anytime soon! |
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CSMTREE Veteran user El Paso, Texas 318 Posts |
I think it's a sad time for Magic when we shoot each other in the face like this. We should be supportive of our fellow Magicians and use these TV specials to our advantage and help elevate our craft. Making Magic cool and up to date may (crossing my fingers) get Magic out of the jokes and games section of the book stores and into the arts and entertainment section. Maybe we can be looked at as entertainers instead of a bunch of immature adults playing with little tricks. Who cares if he uses cameras or not? You mean to tell me that what he does isn't real????? Wow! Why can't he really float??? Come on Magicians, get over yourselves and let's support this young, hardworking Magical entertainer. The world's greatest Magician was also one of the worst Magicians, but everyone know who Houdini was. Best of luck Criss
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