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LDM Loyal user Upstate New York 278 Posts |
I thought I'd start a topic about Harry Potter spoilers, seeing as how quite a few people are looking like they're itching to say something, plus, we can discuss theories.
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El_Lamo Special user Canada 589 Posts |
Snape is still good.
The lessons with Harry in book 5 were actually to help Snape deceive Voldemort. Snape and Dumbledore were arguing in book 6, because Snape didn't want to harm Dumbledore. Draco Malfoy will rescue Harry in the last book.
Life is a system of circumstance presented coincidently in an illusory way.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
Methinks the large blonde Death Eater that was casting hexes right and left in the final battle is a rouge agent sent by unknown powers (or acting alone) to bring about the end of Voldemort's evil forces. I also think he might be the one gathering up all of Voldemorts Horcruxes.
There might be a chance too that Harry is Voldemort's final Horcruxe. I'm hoping the final battle takes place at the Burrow with the boxes of Fred and Georges backstock playing a major role.
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saxmangeoff Veteran user Moscow, ID, USA 353 Posts |
Ok, here are my thoughts:
Dumbledore really is dead. (Proven by his portrait showing up in the headmaster's office). However, I don't think Snape is on Voldemort's side. I don't know what the deal is yet, but I'm sure there's more too it. Dumbledore was adamant about trusting him. Dumbledore was no fool. He must have had a good reason. My 15-year-old son thought Dumbledore started pleading too quickly when he saw Snape, and it seemed a bit suspicious. My wife points out that if this is all some Dumbledore/Snape conspriacy, it's an awful lot to ask someone to commit murder and an unforgiveable curse for the sake of this. Much to my chagrin, she has a point. This is probably the weakest aspect of my theories. I expect book 7 to consist in huge battle which ends in the defeat of Voldemort (perhaps at tremendous cost!) and somehow to explain all the dangling threads we have open at the moment. I just had a thought. Fawkes flew off. I have a funny feeling he'll be back.... It'll be interesting to read all of this in a few years and find out what idiots we all are. Fred and George leading the fight at the Burrow. That's a funny thought! Geoff
"You must practice your material until it becomes boring, then practice it until it becomes beautiful." -- Bill Palmer
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
I think Dumbledore is dead and that Snape is evil. But, if snape is good, the only reason he killed dumbledore is so he wouldn't die from the unbreakable promise thing. And the reason that snape is better off living is because he knows he's the only one who has the inside power to bring voldemort down. I also think that Harry is an 8th horcruxe and he will have to die in book 7 in order to truely bring voldemort down. I find it very hard to beleive that they are going to wrap this all up with one more book left. I think Voldemort will kill Draco Malfoy because he's such a little wiener. I find it hard to beleive that Harry will never return to Hogwarts, if he does live, maybe he will take the defense against the dark arts job after the jinx is lifted (once voldemorts dead). A lot of these theories don't match up but then again, they're just theories. It's too bad there's only one more book.
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
My wife and I were discussing this last night. We believe that Dumbledore is dead. We believe that Dumbledore...either in the flesh or the spirit, will return towards the end of Book 7 and be joined by Snape and a repetent Draco in a tremendous battle against Voldemort. Perhaps (Not unlike Obi Wan in Star Wars) Dumbledore saw his death as an unavoidable necessity in order to spur Harry to achieve the necessary maturity and drive to continue the quest for Voldemort's destruction. It was necessary for Snape to accomplish the deed so as to curry favor and gain proximity to Voldemort. As to Dumbledore's portrait...Portrait's can be created...yet, how curious that the portrait was sleeping peacefully...and incommunicado...with so much going on? Dumbledore's begging also bothered us...it was so out of character that there has to be more there. Fawkes' mournful cry lends credence to the death.
We both believe that Snape is playing a reluctant part and will eventually show himself to be a true hero of Wizardkind. Mostly, because Snape had every opportunity to apparate with Harry at the gate as he escaped...and didn't. He also kept the others from harming Harry in the name of Voldemort. Mostly, however, because he continuously toyed with Harry's spoken spells and repeatedly warned Harry that he'd never get through the defenses of a powerful wizard without learning the silent execution of spells...a lesson magnified by Harry's paralyzing incident on the Express at the beginning of the book. A spell he couldn't break because he couldn't speak. We believe that the blond Death Eater is someone we've already met or read about...perhaps in passing...and is pro-Order...as evidenced by the wild spells and the fact that he never hit anyone...except another Death Eater. We believe that the locket recovered from the cave was a gift from or a trophy taken by the younger Voldemort to/from R.A.B. or someone associated with R.A.B....why else would it be left behind in the place of the Slythern locket? An old girlfriend? Does anyone know Rosmerta's last name? We believe that Hogwarts governors will close its doors until the conflict is resolved. This will free Ron, Hermione and and Ginny to follow Harry on the closing chapter of this adventure...without sacrificing their education. Ms. Rowling is pro-education...so, I can't believe she'd end the series on a note that finishing school is unimportant...even to support the plot. We believe that the house elves will play a major role in defeating Voldemort. As Dobby has shown, these little fellows are powerful little creatures who have either been cowed into not using their powers or simply prefer to serve. The house elves will emerge as heroes and equals among the Wizards. We believe that Harry may be the 7th Horcrux...inadvertently through the death of Harry's mother. Which would explain why Voldemort has tried repeatedly to dominate Harry and not outright destroy him. It would also explain Harry's connection with Voldemort throughout the series. Unfortunately, this means that Harry must either die or be on the very brink of death in order to expell or destroy the portion of Voldemort's soul residing within. Harry will understand this and follow Dumbledore's example of self-sacrifice...so that Neville, the Chosen One, can achieve his ultimate potential and slay Voldemort. We both feel that if Harry dies in Book 7, it will be in a final battle with Draco at his side. If he lives, it will be due to Draco's willing sacrifice. We believe that Hagrid will bring the strength of the spiders, the Centaurs and the other magical beasts into the battle. Gwarp may very well be instrumental in bringing the Giants to the defense of Wizardkind. We believe that, after the conflict, Hogwarts will reopen with Prof. McGonigal as Headmistress. Snape will return to Hogwarts as the Head of Slytherin. Hagrid will become the new Head of House for either Gryffindor or the new House of Potter or Longbottom. I believe that we have the answers on what to expect in the first 6 volumes. We just have to go back and read them through with the perspective that Volume 6 gives us. No matter how it turns out...it's been a great ride and, like all great rides, I look forward to its conclusion with very mixed feelings. It's gonna be a LONG two years!! Skip
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Dr_Stephen_Midnight Inner circle SW Ohio, USA 1555 Posts |
A point nobody has mentioned: Harry seeing a brief image like a 'phoenix rising' when Dumbledore's body is 'encased' in the magic tomb.
Order of the Phoenix...more than a 'nice image?' Steve
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saxmangeoff Veteran user Moscow, ID, USA 353 Posts |
In discussing all these loose ends, my wife came up with a perfect title for book 7: Harry Potter and the Rest of the Story.
:lol: Geoff
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LDM Loyal user Upstate New York 278 Posts |
R.A.B. could be Regulus Black, Sirius's dead brother. All we know about him is that he joined the Death Eaters and eventually was killed. Plus, on page 116 of The Order of the Phoenix, it mentions that in Grimmauld Place they found a locket that couldn't be opened. Possibly a coincidence.
I too think Snape is good. I mean, he rushes out and makes eye contact with Dumbledore. IN THE MIDDLE OF A HEATED BATTLE. They were both accomplished Legilimens. Dumbledore could have all of his immediate goals fufilled - Malfoy wouldn't commit a terrible crime, Snape could fufill his Unbreakable Vow, and Harry would finally be left alone. After all, killing Voldemort/finding Horcruxes is Harry's job. By the way, all of Skip's theories are plausible. |
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
LDM, Awesome! I completely forgot about Regulus. Very good point...and I have to go back and reread the locket part. Genius! Now...who do you reckon the blond death eater is?
:o) Skip
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
One thing I haven't seen anybody discuss - What about the Dursleys? What part do they really play here? Beyond Dumbledore's seemingly bizarre trust of Snape, he also entrusted Harry's formative years, and his summers between Hogwarts, to the Dursleys. Is Harry going to collect all the Horcruxes, destroy them and defeat Voldemort, all while the Dursleys just fade into the background where Harry doesn't have to deal with them anymore? I don't think so.
I agree with the theory that Harry himself is one of the Horcruxes (not the 7th - Voldemort is the 7th!), even if Voldemort didn't originally intend that. Does anyone else think it's amusing that Slughorn accidentally refers to Ron as "Rupert"? In the movies, Ron Weasley is played by Rupert Grint. Since spoilers are allowed here, why not see how the book was spoiled for Tom Hanks. BTW, as July 31st is approaching (only an hour way, speaking from US Pacific Time), let us not forget that today is Harry Potter's birthday! (Awww, did we miss Dudley's birthday? Bummer.) June 30th, of course, is Neville Longbottom's. |
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Bill Veteran user and Pretty Nice Guy 373 Posts |
The thing I've been wondering about is this; when Harry was freed of his spell he "knew" Dumbledore was dead. But why then didn't the remaining deatheaters disapparate instead of running for the outside walls? Wasn't it Dumbledore who put the spell on Hogwarts that prevented anyone from apparating or disapparating within the walls?
I also think that Dumbledore will be coming back. Rowling made him too human and likable in this book to just croke him. Perhaps there is another way to split your sole other than murder and he's coming back in another form? Me thinks we have a mystery.... |
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johnnymystic Inner circle North Adams Ma. 1576 Posts |
Oh my Gawd! I have yet to read this book, we got it for our son who is away for the summer...should I buy another? I'm so torn!
johnny
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
Dumbledore will definitely be back in some form. In fact I know he is because of his portrait. I only wonder why Harry didn't seem to pay much attention to that. I mean when Sirius died he tried so hard to find a way to talk to him again. Here he was right in front of Dumbledore's portrait and there was no mention of him wanting to talk. But I'm sure we'll hear from his portrait at least.
From what I've read another key character will die. Who do you think it'll be? I'm thinking it'll be eitehr Hagrid, Ron, Hermione, Neville or possibly one of the Dursleys. If it where a Dursley and Harry actually felt bad about it. That would be a strange twist in the story. Ron Jaxon |
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Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
Just before Dumbledore got killed, he was discussing with Draco how he could help him. Dumbledore mentioned that Voldemort wouldn't be able to hurt Draco if the Dark Lord thought that Draco was dead. Hmmm.... And then Dumbledore "died"... Perhaps this is just wishful thinking and I'm in complete denial about the passing of the greatest wizard to ever live.
Is it possible that Snape said the killing curse out loud, but actually executed a silent spell? Perhaps something that would merely be a big light show in the hopes that the Death Eaters would believe that Snape just snuffed him? And I really can't see Ginny just stepping aside and letting the man she loves walk alone into danger. Just like Ron and Hermione, I expect to see her, as well as many other members of the DA, right by Harry's side through thick and thick. I mean, let's face it, she's a Weasley, and the last thing any Weasley is is afraid of a good fight! I, too, am wondering about this chosen one business and whether or not it is indeed NOT Harry, but rather Neville. That should be interesting to see in the next book. Bye the way, congrats to Lupin and Tonks! |
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saxmangeoff Veteran user Moscow, ID, USA 353 Posts |
Johnny, if your son has read the other books and is a Potter fan, I can't see keeping him from the book. How old is he? My 9 year old daughter had a problem with this book, and didn't sleep well for a week or so after we finished it (we read it as a family, because we have 6 people who all want to read each book when it comes out, and no one wants to wait ).
My wife looked ahead, and saw what was coming. She asked me if I thought our daughter should read this (without revealing anything, because I didn't want any spoilers). My reply was "That horse is out of the barn, and there's no way to get it back in." We would just have to deal with whatever happened in the book and whatever the reaction was. So, I'd say it depends on how old your son is and how you think he'll deal with it, but it may be easier to deal with it than to tell him he can't read the book. Geoff
"You must practice your material until it becomes boring, then practice it until it becomes beautiful." -- Bill Palmer
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johnnymystic Inner circle North Adams Ma. 1576 Posts |
Hey Geoff,
My son HAS the book and is away for the summer which is why I can't read it yet...not until he comes home anyways...oh the torture of it all! johnny
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On 2005-07-31 11:25, johnnymystic wrote: How old's your son and has he read the other five books?
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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johnnymystic Inner circle North Adams Ma. 1576 Posts |
My son is 15 yrs. old and has every book memorized...and the movies word for word. whenever I have a question concerning the story line, he gives me the right answers everytime.
johnny
I drink cheap tequila and vomit
<BR>I cannot eat hot wings...acid reflux <BR>I never inhale <BR>I can put a field dress on a deer |
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saxmangeoff Veteran user Moscow, ID, USA 353 Posts |
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On 2005-08-01 18:25, johnnymystic wrote: Ahh... Sorry for the misunderstanding. So you're wondering if you should buy a second copy (for yourself) to read? Hey, none of us are responsible for any financial loss you incur because you clicked on a link clearly labelled "Spoilers". Geoff
"You must practice your material until it becomes boring, then practice it until it becomes beautiful." -- Bill Palmer
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