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Mystician
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Odd, I went back several pages but never really found anyone discussing these lil' gadgets, at least, not lately.
I'm interested in one of the flash finger shooters, where you shoot a ball of flame 10 feet or so from your hand or finger.
There are the ubitquous single or double flash shooter, which takes an AA size battery, which nearly every dealer carries. Is the the Pyrowizard ? Or are there knockoffs too ?
There's also the PyroManiac, which I know next to nothing about.
Then there are the Rick Haslett produced models: the Flash, which claims to be the smallest such device, the four flash, and even the six-flash. His stuff all seems to use "N" batteries.
I'd probably lean towards a multi-shooter, actually, either the double or the Haslett four-flash.
Any experience/preferences/issues with any these shooters ?
TIA

Jim, any particular reason you don't make a shooter ? Just not something you'd use ? Or too risky ?
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Mystician...
Hmmmm..I have never thought of it before. I once made a shooting wand for a friend. I have always wanted to remain clean after an effect and the shooters that I used to sell were always a little bulky.
Something to think about though...after I dismantle a few more mini smoke gimmicks.
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Great, I'd look forward to that.
Oh, and I'll have to concede in the mini-smoker design race. Not that I would've won anyway Smile. I just have too much going on with the regular day job right now; getting training and getting prepped for a new, higher position, I've even had to cancel vacation twice this summer already. Smile
I think the little mini zero-blaster has a lot of potential though.
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I used to use the shooters a lot. I have two double shooters. And I liked them at first when I did stage and parlor stuff.

But now I perform mostly Street magic and impromptu (As McBride says, a magician 24/7) and the fact that you only get a couple of shots, and then need to reset is a problem for me, and having to ditch them when done, caused me to set them aside in favor of the Phoneix. (I use two of these too Smile - yes I go overboard on just about everything..)

Much more impromptu and your hands are clean before and after.

But the shooters do have a place... Just not for me.

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I thought of a great use for 'em.
You know how the standard igniter for the typical propane grill never seems to work after about 2 weeks (if that), then you have to resort to flicking matches in the grill, or lighting it from underneath, etc.. usually losing some eyebrow in the process ..?
I thought it'd be pretty friggin' cool to stand back 10 feet, suddenly thrust your hand, finger(s) extended, at the grill, as if commanding it to light; a flash emanates from your outstretched arm and whooomp , a ball of fire billows up from the now ignited grill. Impressive, and a lot safer too !
If you were performing at a pinic or barbecue, that'd be a heck of a opener - then while the foods cooking go 'round and do your act.
Heck, that sounds fun just to do anytime the grill needs to be fired up.
I suppose you could always attach the shooter to a pull too, if need be.
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PyroManiac is a battery operated device, to light up flash paper/cotton.
It has to be palmed then ditched/sleeved.
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I bought pyromaniac and I think its junk, just one man's opinion.

Too big, clumsy, hard to use.

I'm going for Jim Pace's igniter, which I hear is similar but much much better.

Gotta Love Jim's stuff. I'm going to order that flasher he sells next week I think... The igniter has to wait awhile...

Jim's stuff is simply the best. I only have inviso torch and hot leads but I use them both all the time, that sure speaks volumes about usability in my opinion.

Steven
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I agree that pyromaniac is bulky to handle.

I have invisio torch, it's good, but it could do with an electric ignitor. I hate the flint feels...
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Thanks Mopkrayz, I wasn't sure what the pyromaniac was.
I already have an Igniter (JP), so I'm good there.
So, it comes down to the pyrowizard devices, or R. Haslett's devices.. and money ;-p
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If you are not in a hurry, I am about to receive haslett's 6 shooter and can review it.
haslett is a very kind person. he did some customising to the 6 shooter I ordered. he always proved to be very helpful. I always prefer buying from individuals rather than person-less companies.
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Oh cool, yes, I can wait. I'll look forward to your review then, thanks !
Can you discuss your requested modification ?
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Well idea is to make the shooter a permanent part of the costume, and not having to hold it in my hand. Haslett was very helpful and did the necessary changes I requested. Everytime I had a query/problem he never let me down.
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With any shooter, you MUST remember to check them before using. They need to be cleaned because they get dirty quickly. I've had them not go off when I needed so had to resort to the old striking the match to ignite the ball of flashpaper. Since I'm bad at maintaining things, I don't use shooters any more.

Now I find it better to ignite a ball of flashpaper and then toss it. All the spectators remember seeing is a fire ball flying through the air.

So you can ignite the fp any way you choose. I like Pyromaniac - it's well designed and works like a charm and have been using it for over a month. I don't have a problem concealing it (maybe I have large hands), but it's the type of prop I can use it and then throw it in my pocket until I need it again.

Haslett has one that is smaller (I can't remember the name), but doesn't light the paper as well -- the hot coil is too recessed and small. Also check out Pace's master flash, it's a flat unit that you can keep mounted on a larger object (like a book) and then you can ignite your flash balls from inside the book. I haven't tried his new igniter yet. Good luck to you.
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Master Flash is also known as his flaming comic book, which I have by the way. (As well as his Igniter). Neither though, are exactly what I'm looking for in this instance, though they certainly have their uses.
Thanks for the tip on maintenace !
I think the Haslett one you mention is simply called "The Flash", and is billed as the smallest such device on the market.

Mostly out of curiosity, if anyone has a pyromaniac, could you pm me and give me a general description of the device ? I'm curious as to how it's basicly constructed and how it might differ from the Igniter. Does it offer any means of disposal, for example, the way the Igniter can leave you clean ?
I'm not expecting schematics or anything detailed, just an overview, thanks.
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I just received Haslett's 6 shooter flash Cannon, and it looks great. I have seen most of the Flash Cannons on the market at one time or another. Personally I never liked the flint operated ones as they require thumb flicking which does not fit in my hand movements/cheorography.

The unit has 6 barrells and haslett's usual ignition system. contrary to other devices, this does not use a glow plug. the ignition system is permanent. the device uses 2 small N type 1.5v batteries.
The device is small enough to hold in your hand, and I have really small hands!

Rick offered to customise my gimmick as I needed to wear it in my costume for very little extra expense. I found this to be essential for the working performer.

if you need to shoot more than 2 shots in your act without having to reload, or without acquiring multiple flash cannons, this is the best way to go!
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Cool, sounds good. He also makes a four shooter, by the way. I think 6 might be overkill for me.
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The advantages of the 6 shooter is that you can fire two fireballs at once, and still have 4 shots left if you really want a BIG ball of fire!
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I just bought these from a Café member very cheaply...

Hope they work well...

http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/Hypnotist/P8150001.JPG

I beleive one takes a double A battery and one takes a triple A.
I'd prefer they were both tripe A size, but for the price I can't complain much...

Steven
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MopKrayz,

Does that 6 shooter conceal up your sleeve and where is the triggers?
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6 shooter, like any other hand shooter is meant to be held in your palm. triggers are on the unit itself, easily pressed by your thumb.

I had other plans with the shooter and Rick was very good at custimising it to my needs.
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