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samhenry New user Venezuela 17 Posts |
Hi, guys! Who can help me with a new version of the Russian Roulette? I know the version of Hans Moretti and Larry Becker... But... Any information will be welcome...
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts |
I have seen Hans Moretti perform his version. It is a killer! I don't think you really need to improve on it. If I was to ever do this, It would look something like this. I would have someone inspect the gun and bullet. Then have them blindfold me. Then they would load the bullet into the gun and spin the chamber around. They would hand me the gun and I would place it against my forehead. Holding the gun steady with two hands, I would pull the trigger. Click. No shot. Again, Click. No shot. Again, Click. No shot. On the fourth try I would shake and not pull the trigger. I would take off the blindfold and shoot the gun at a target and it would discharge the bullet. I have no method for this yet.
Chad |
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DonMarco Regular user 187 Posts |
Cassidy has a good one in Art of Mentalism available at
http://mastermindreader.com/cd/e_books.html
"Imagination is the Only Reality"-- Marquis de Sade
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AllThumbs Veteran user UK 375 Posts |
Adeen..
dva.. tree.. chyetirye.. pyat.. sh.........oops Kris Sheglova
The above is all rubbish, except that which you chose to believe
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ThoughtThief Regular user 183 Posts |
Maurice Fogel had a brilliant original presentation of Russian Roulette involving six air rifles on a revolving lazy susan rack. All six rifles were loaded with a pellet. A volunteer discharged one of the rifles, breaking one of the six white dinner plates attched to a wooden frame in a horizontal line.
The discharged rifle was then added back to the rack, which was spun like a roulette wheel (nice, huh?), losing the discharged rifle amongst the loaded rifles. Each of six volunteers selects a rifle and picks a number between one and six (or possibly nine, as I recall). Fogel calls attention to an envelope that has been attached to the wooden frame throughout the proceedings, opens it, and displays his "prediction" number. The volunteer who selected that number steps aside and the other five volunteers aim their rifles at one of the remaining plates each. The sixth man aims his rifle at Fogel's forehead as Fogel stands beneath the wooden frame. At Fogel's mark, everyone fires--the five plates break and Fogel escapes unharmed. I think the use of air pellet rifles was particularly brilliant. Audiences know on an emotional level that no sane performer would truly risk death on a nightly basis for the sake of a good show. The air rifles provide a realistic sense of danger and make the whole ordeal more credible. As Fogel liked to say, the pellet in an air rifle is probably not capable of killing a man but it can certainly put out an eye or do other serious damage. In fact, Fogel insisted that the bit did go wrong on the rare occasion, at least once resulting in a bloody forehead. |
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts |
That is the routine I saw Hans Moretti use!
I didn't know that it was a Fogel effect. I just figured, like all of Morettis stuff, It was his own. Go figure. Chad |
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AllThumbs Veteran user UK 375 Posts |
You can always try for the added drama approach by loading the pistol, then changing your mind and pulling out a watermelon or something, and deliberately screwing up.
Not really mentalism (I suppose you could say something like "I had a funny feeling something would go wrong"). Regards, Kris Sheglova
The above is all rubbish, except that which you chose to believe
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samhenry New user Venezuela 17 Posts |
Thanks Chad, maybe my problem is only presentation. Tony Corinda in "13 steps to mentalism" speaks about Fogel's Russian Roulette like a advertising trick.
Samuel. "99% de la magia es presentacion. 1% is technique" |
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tropicalpenguin Veteran user 396 Posts |
There is one concept I've seen....
There are five knives on the table, four blade down, one blade up. Little paper covers cover up each knife. The magician is then blindfolded pretty &(%&^ securely. The knives are switched around. The spectator then places two of the magician's hands over two blades. The magician drops one of his hands. it falls onto a handle. Lather, rinse, repeat... When one knife is left, he takes off the blindfold. To prove that there was a blade up knife under the last cover, he drops a whole cantalope on the knife. It doesn't reach the table because it is skewered. I don't know a whole lot about the effect, I just thought I'd toss it out there. Check out my other posts. -the penguin has spoken
-The penguin has spoken
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Ted Lesley V.I.P. Berlin / Germany 421 Posts |
Hi Samhenry:
Do me (and yourself) a favor and use Cassidy`s method. In my opinion it is the safest. The "Russian Roulette" and "Catching A Bullet with The Teeth" are the most dangerous tricks. One mistake....and you will be dead. My good friend the late WERRY had a nice method doing the "Bullet Catch". He published his method in his magazine "Magische Welt" and if I have the time, I will translate it into English. If you`re NOT an experienced performer, don`t do such a trick! ESPecially and MAGICally TED LESLEY
Ted Lesley
( The "Victor Borge" of Mentalism ) |
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Larry Becker V.I.P. 241 Posts |
In the early 80's, I needed a closer for a psychic gambling act. Tony Raven put me onto Bob Cassidy's version which I used for a year or so. Bob's is relatively safe, especially the way he was doing it.
The pistols were of the starter variety and used small .22 cal. blanks. He also had the spectator place the muzzle against the base of his skull (supposedly it would be deadly if a misfire occurred) actually, you can fire a .22 cal. crimped blank into the palm of your hand without injury. But I was determined to increase the possibility of injury. I eventually ended up using 9. mm. blank cartridges (same powder load as the 9. mm. bullet). I also had the spectator place the muzzle of the revolver in my ear. Sounds stupid? It was! I suffered a substantial loss of hearing in my right ear (the one closest to the exploding cartridges) over the 10+ years I performed it. My version also was original and totally different from Bob's. It was a very controversial effect to perform. Audiences reacted much like those watching a highwire act. You seem to know what you're doing, but there's always a chance you'll fail. The most controversial aspect was the stress placed on the audience volunteer. They didn't ask to be up there. And none knew that the barrel would be placed in my ear. That always came as a pleasent little surprise during the performance. Those of you who have seen me do it know that the spectator is usally wiped out by the time he pulls the trigger. In theaters where I had the advantage of a spot, the suspensful climax was verrry strong. The spot would get smaller and smaller until only the spectator's hand holding the pistol and my head were framed by the circle of light. You could hear the proverbial pin drop as I counted to "3." I remember performing it on stage at the IBM convention in Eastbourne, England many years ago. The late Jeffrey Atkins was the gentleman holding the revolver. As the count tolled "2" my eyes glanced at Jeffrey and the beads of sweat were pouring down his forehead. No one was happier than Jeffrey when the hammer clicked on the empty chamber at the count of "3!" As the stage lights came up, I turned to the stand and removed the final revolver, the one Jeffrey hadn't selected and as I said, "Imagine what would have happened had Jeffrey selected this revolver!" With that I fired the pistol in the air as the relieved audience loudly applauded and Jeffrey looked as pale as a ghost. Now-a-days, he is. I guess it was the inherent danger in performing the effect that made it one of the benchmark effects in my career in magic and mentalism. But those who said it is dangerous are correct. It is!
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Alex Reeve New user 63 Posts |
Once I saw a Russian roulette done by the guy (sorry, his name escapes me for the moment) who did "The Secret Cabaret" a British TV show. He put one bullet in a gun and spin the barrel, then the spectators on the front row would take turns spinning the barrel. The performer sat in a chair and put the gun to his ear and slowly start to trigger it several times. Only "click" would be heard, then he stop and pointed the gun to a mirror reflecting him and shoot toward it. The mirror was blown away. Very effective staging!!!
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Ian Broadmore Special user 555 Posts |
The Russian roulette on the secret cabaret was by Simon Drake and I think one of the best, performance wise.
Cheers!!! Ian Broadmore |
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Mahlstrom New user 64 Posts |
Tropicalpeguin:
Gary Kurtz is doing the five knives routine you described. I assume it is original, even so others (like Banachek) have Russian Roulette type routines with knives. -Mahlstrom |
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Banachek V.I.P. Houston 1086 Posts |
Let me make a small correction Mahlstrom, I was the first to perform a Russian roulette with knives. Gary performed his version a month after seeing me at a Florida Convention. Gary's version is based upon a spike routine in Magick. I have been performing my version since 1976 in my very first show.
Yes the versions are different. In mine the knives are sealed in envelopes, I lay over a chair, and they stab me with three in the stomach. I used knives for a Russian Roulette simply because I wanted something that no-one else was doing. Just in case there are any questions, my very first newspaper article, (around the same time, mid 70's) speaks of my Russian roulette with knives. All the best
In thoughts and Friendship
Banachek Campus Performer of the Year two years in a row Year 2000 Campus Novelty Act PEA Creativity Award Recipient http://www.banachek.com |
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Mahlstrom New user 64 Posts |
I stand corrected.
Actually, I'm glad I guessed wrong. Now I can brag about getting a response from the master himself I've been admiring your career since reading about "project Alpha" in the Skeptical Inquirer. Thanks for sharing some facts about the Russian roulette versions with knives. Best, Mahlstrom |
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E-Leoni Veteran user USA 358 Posts |
Mahlstrom,
Just to add to the Knife thing, as far as Gary. Gary didn't get into mentalism till just a few years ago. E-Leoni. |
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Paradox Regular user 178 Posts |
RE: Russian Roulette with knives:
Didn't Steve Spill have a routine along these lines in one of his videos many years ago? I was getting ready to do it & even bought enough fake knives that looked good to do it right, but never got around to it. Now I've forgotten the routine. Anyone remember it? |
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Steve Hook Inner circle Raleigh, NC, USA 1266 Posts |
I think it's on his "Comedy Magic Scrapbook" video, which may be performance-only (it's been awhile.)
Steve H
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ThoughtThief Regular user 183 Posts |
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On 2002-10-24 16:08, samhenry wrote: Samuel, I don't know whether it makes any difference, but the Fogel routine discussed in Corinda is the bullet catch, which, as you noted, was primarily a publicity stunt (although Fogel did use it in his performances for the armed services during WWII). Subsequently, he developed the Russian Roulette routine that is described in my previous post on this thread, and which he used as his closing number for most of his performances. |
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