I saw some manipulation cards from Japan on sale (on the web)in England. They had a red "Bee" type back on both sides. I am interested in them but they are a bit pricey (about $25 per deck plus shipping). Has anyone seen theses state side?

I got a Japanese Fanning Deck that doubles as a color fanning deck. I would recommend learning card manipulations with regular cards however. Because if you can manipulate the large cards, manipulation cards will make your manipulations so much better (but only after you can do it with regular cards.)

PM me if you want to know how to break in a regular deck of cards to be used as a manipulation deck.

Derek Merdinyan

There are many manip decks out there, including one's by Norm Neilsen, Lance Burton, Juliana Chen, Peter Marvey, Murphy's Magic and more! Some cards are best suited to single card productions and some to fan productions. I would recommend investing in a few different deck and experimenting with them and different slights.

I have found that I get best results on single productions with Juliana Chen's cards, and great fans with Neilsen's. But then again everyone is different. Have a look around, and ask your dealer if they have a display pack you can play around with before you buy that why you can immediatly tell if you'll be able to work with the cards before getting home.

Matt

I haven't seen that kind of Japanese manipulation cards. I suggest if you're just going to use them for practice, buy a regular Bee card and break it in then practice your manipulations before moving on to fanning and manipulation decks.

I just use a deck of bee cards for practising manipulations. I've tried norm nielson and peter marvey decks but bees feel better to me, especially for split fans. However, I would say experiment with different decks and see what suits you the best. Buy lots of different decks and once you find the one you like best, stick with them.

Actually, I found if you practice with bridge size decks and then use poker size, it is easier to control the cards being you have trained your fingers to grip a bridge size deck.

Talking about card manipulation.. I use to bought a dozen of these decks. But now the deck is out of stock. I was looking all around but its not avail.

Its so sad to hear that no where was to be found of these decks. It cheap and good to fan and palm. The name of the deck is 'Wasp' is a china brand deck that is in bridge size. Great for manipuation.

If any one knows where to obatin this pls let me know..I love these decks.

Haven't used them but from what I hear they're pretty darn thin. Almost TOO thin for some manipulators. I think they're wider than bridge size too.

Bee's work best as far as I have found. I find the other manip decks too thin. It is easy to tear the cards while doing split fans. It is also harder to grip the bridge sized card. I also find that the red color blends beter into the skin tone of my hand than the dark tan of most manip cards. This dark tan color looks like a black line when it peaks out. And aside from all that I can buy the bees anywhere. Eventually you don't have to do much more than use them to break them in.

Bee cards are the best I have found for split fan work.... I have no idea why bridge is so popular....I have little hands and have no problem.... my 4 year old son can do a one handed fan and spring the cards with a poker size deck..... Stuart is right about the manip cards being toooo thin. I tear them when I split my fans...

I use Bee brand for split fans and Norm Nielson cards for single card productions. It just works for me.

Your correct, fans and even productions with poker size cards are very do able. It's the other types of flourshies (e.g. Charlier Pass) that the poker size seems harder to work with.

I have been doing card manipulation for 5 years now and have found out that Murphy's cards work the best. I have tried lots of other cards but there is no other that I perfer. Plus there not to badly priced.Go here if you want to look at them: http://www.themagicwarehouse.com/

Jeff

Bee cards are really the best for manipulation.
First they cost only $3 and not $15 like the norm nielsen decks or other decks.
Also, they really feel THAT good.
Jeff McBride, Jason Latimer, Jeff Sheridan an many top notch manipulators use the BEE brand.
You really need to break the cards, but it only takes one minute to do that.
I have tryed ALL manipulators cards (Peter Marvey, Juliana, Lance B., etc) and from those decks the best is the Lance Burton one. Anyway, I prefer the bee.