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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts 
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If you want to practice...try doing what I used to do as a teenager....
At magic conventions in the wee hours of the morning, some card guys would get together for a low stakes poker game and the idea was to cheat each other. If you were caught...you lost your money in the pot automatically. It was fun and killed an hour or 2 
In addition, everyone knoew you were cheating, so no one would get offended if you were caught...especially since you lost the money you put in the pot
If you ring in a marked deck and they don't notice, you can get a great advantage without doing too many sleights
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aamwood Loyal user 264 Posts
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Hi Glenn I totally like your idea. Next time, I will just use chips instead of money. Really, we play cards just to kill time. We never expect to get money from each other. That's why we are so relaxed, and don't really care about the winning. Except me, I am concerned about my move. I never performed publicly like most of you. So I just wonder, if the move really invisible in a real life ?
For magician, of course the move is visible. I have learned several card sleight of hands. Whenever, I see a demo or magic show, I can quess ( of course most of you are better at this ) that he is doing DL, or second deal etc .. So, the point is, I love the moves and just want to see how it works in real life. Today is Thursday. Tomorrow we will play again. I think I will stick to Glenn's Idea and explain to them that I am going to cheat. The other point is, last week I didn't totally cheat all the time only if I saw there was a chance. Tomorrow, I will demonstrate to them again. I am not good at other stuffs, really. My presentations are not good. But, I consider myself quite Okay in second, buttom and pass. Just okay not really good. Most of you are better than me I bet. |
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Andrei Veteran user Romania 353 Posts
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If this is, in fact, an honest thread (which it just might be)the guy should be cut a bit of slack. He slipped up, but who doesn't? It might not involve cards, but I'm sure all of us regret certain things we've done in the past. What's more, he immediately confessed.
The fact that the money is little is no justification, though, because everybody loves to win, and cheating takes that little something away from everyone else. Even if it were for no money at all, it still would be quite wrong. But, again, he confessed (without exposing, which is interesting) and he'll probably never do the same thing again. No person (of which I know) has ever lived a perfect life, but only some of us have the strength to pull ourselves back on the right track. Apparently, this guy does. Then again, this post might not be entirely truthful. In any event, aamwood, you might be better off listening to a suggestion somebody else has already posted: you can still do your greeks, seconds, passes and whatnot, just don't keep track of any of the cards. That way you can squeeze in totally fair practice, under fire, with no moral issues whatsoever. Of course, you might be risking those guys' friendship, but it's a risk you're free to take. Andrei |
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts
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On 2005-08-03 19:24, Paul Sherman wrote: that's what they do in Spanish 21 at the casinos...
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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Suave Dan Special user Calgary, Alberta, Canada 656 Posts
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On 2005-08-03 08:10, aamwood wrote: You don't have to do magic in public to be a magician. If you practise the art of magic, you are a magician. |
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts
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So what I am getting from reading this thread is that aamwood cheated in a safe poker game with friends. Reread it Bish, the game was BJ 
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hmmm! in a real game you typically would not cheat the first time out, you would build trust by going and playing normally a few times, you know, become one of the guys. As stated in the paragraph above the one you quoted Halcon. I would suggest to aamwood that he keeps his cheating to people he knows and not try this sort of thing in loose company. The fact it works with friends is in no way a guarantee it will work with strangers, the consequence could be unpleasant. A note on cheating. Any games outcome can be weighted by cheating, the amount of weighting can be great or small. Good cheats use minimal weighting.
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts
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I master all those moves also, but I only chesat in friendly games no money involved.. I'm to honest for that:P
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aamwood Loyal user 264 Posts
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I would suggest to aamwood that he keeps his cheating to people he knows and not try this sort of thing in loose company. The fact it works with friends is in no way a guarantee it will work with strangers, the consequence could be unpleasant. Don't misunderstand me. I don't gamble for money, just for fun. I won't do it again. I was just too excited after I had a chance to use the move in real life even only once. Usually when I show a trick to me friends , just say Selected Card at Any Number, I always use buttom deal, and pass. They have no idea. I have used the moves before on other tricks. I just had wrong idea to use them in gambling even it is just for fun. My mistake. Initially, my posting just wanted to share with you, good or bad about my experience. Of course I didn't cheat to strangers, I used the moves because I know my pals very well and how they will react after I disclose to them that I was cheating. Sorry about my english. Andrei, I wish this was not true. I know there are better ways to cheat in black jack. I just wanted to see how second, buttom and pass moves are used in our favourite games, black jack. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2005-08-03 14:56, Vandy Grift wrote:... Vandy, these folks have clearly not read or understood EaCT. What is the point in berating them? Let them learn the way described in EaCT and perhaps they will change.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts
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Aamwood,
I would just watch my step if I were you. that's all. Do what you want to do, I don't think your some terrible guy. You did what you did. I would have kept quiet about it. that's all. I think your lucky and I'm a bit surprised your friends didn't mind at all. Magicians have all run into people that hate to be fooled. How do you think most people are going to feel when you tell them; 1. I cheated you and made a fool of you. 2. I stole your money 3. I wasted your entire night by playing little games behind your back. that's why most people do not react well to being cheated. And that's why cheating at cards is such a touchy thing. Trust me, we are not that far removed from the old days when guns were drawn over cheating and even the accusation of cheating. that's why If one of my "friends" cheated me I would knock his block off. And that's why if I was playing with strangers and thought they we're cheating me, I would pick up my money, thank them for the game and get out of there. When your talking about, gambling, money and cheating...Things can get real ugly real fast. Vandy Quote:
On 2005-08-04 09:31, Jonathan Townsend wrote: True that. Thanks, I think I'm done with this one.
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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ImpromptuBoy Special user Toronto, Canada 898 Posts
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On 2005-08-03 22:28, bishthemagish wrote: Glenn, great post! Guys, we can all learn something here today from this great magician. Give Glenn a big round of applause! All the best, Michael |
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aamwood Loyal user 264 Posts
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Vandy Grift,
I totally understand your good points. I won't do the same again next time. And also I have learned some very very good points from all of you. Vandy Grift, your opinion about ugly situation is describing the world of card shark I don't want to have that kind of situation. Vandy, really I thank you.
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Nik_Mikas Regular user Toronto, Ontario, Canada 159 Posts
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Go to Oprah! Go to Oprah!
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts
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On 2005-08-04 05:36, Partizan wrote: Does that really matter? Many times is a home friendly game people will play several different games. I will file that important information under things that make me say HMMMMMMM.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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Yiannis Veteran user Chicago USA 349 Posts
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As far as cheating is concerned, the safest environment to do the cheating is where you are trusted to be an honest player. All the great conmen work this way.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2005-08-03 13:02, Nik_Mikas wrote: Why not? Houdini did it 
Hey Nik.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts
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On 2005-08-03 15:46, Nik_Mikas wrote: Most cheating methods came from magician ideas and then became a cheating method. Much like the cups and balls. A magicians trick became a swindle for the street con man as the thimble rig. Historically it was all magic - then cheating methods were learned and developed from magicians. Now the magicians learn cheating methods for magic from the study of card shark cheats and dice cheats. I would imagine that historically there is a very strong link between the street con artist (Monte mobs, thimble riggers, pickpockets) and the street performer.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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Nik_Mikas Regular user Toronto, Ontario, Canada 159 Posts
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Most historical scholars think otherwise, Glenn. Don't know where you heard that, but it's pretty hard to believe that those methods came from magicians. Especially since the earliest sources site learning them from gamblers.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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I ment Houdini layed into those he was indebt to, ie; Robert Houdin.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Nik_Mikas Regular user Toronto, Ontario, Canada 159 Posts
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I was addressing Glenn Bishop, not Glenn West.
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