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S.Segal Special user San Diego 949 Posts |
I actually did see Shoot memorize about 20 cards (in the context of an effect) from a shuffled deck. That was about 4 years ago.
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love2laugh Veteran user 374 Posts |
I'd say Shoot did some false shuffling on a memorized deck as well.
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Alniner Loyal user Burlington, ON, Canada 254 Posts |
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On 2005-08-23 00:55, love2laugh wrote: Not quite. They were all real. Otherwise, I would have noticed all the cards being the same when he was turning over the cards face up until you reached the number. Nope, this was good old fashioned asian discipline.
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
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On 2005-08-24 09:25, Alniner wrote: Since a memorized deck looks random how would looking at the face cards help you determine that the shuffles were legit? |
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Joggins New user Los Angeles 64 Posts |
Shoot can take YOUR deck after you shuffle it and do what Alniner said he did. A few of us were playing around with this yesterday. It's quite amazing. Try it for yourself.
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Great Domino Special user Canada 545 Posts |
Fingerjack hit the nail on the head. I was first turned on to magic by Mr Lorayne. I purchased "Reputation Makers" and it is a great book. It's hardly ever mentioned here, too bad. There are plenty of gems in it. "Card Sharp and the Four Gamblers" is hands down on all-time great poker themed routines I perform.
Anyway, there's a whole section devoted to memory squares, mnemonics and what not. I have used this technique and admit, yes it took some time, but eventually became second nature. I use this all the time, just need pen and paper. Specs name cards, places, pets, habits blah blah blah and you learn to name them forward, backwards every which way. If you are serious about learing this check out the Memory Book or Reputation Makers. You'll thank me later... Great Job Mr. Lorayne! Dominic |
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graemesd Veteran user 369 Posts |
I have performes this as an effect for many years
I talk about memory champions and explain that I'm not as good as them have a specky shuffle the deck I a**** sep**** under the guise of remembering the order of the 'colours' (13 seconds) I then deal 2 pilesd of cards face down with all the memory nad acting skills I can muster place the 2 piles together you need to cover p*** to correct the piles and spread the whole deck it plays soooooooooo big try it - you wont be disapointeed actually I cant believe I've just told you about this |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12941 Posts |
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On 2005-08-22 01:37, NCR wrote: Or natural God given talents. My kid memorized 162 digits of pi for a school contest once cause his classmate called him a moron. The classmate memorized 30 digits. I told my kid gee, you only needed to memorize 31. J |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Memorizing dozens of Pi digits is far from being impressive. Even for a kid! It requires no talent at all or God-what-you-want-gift. When I was like 10 I memorized 60-70 digits (sorry I don't remember exactly, it was a long time ago) in like 5'... Everyone can do that, you just have to remember a few rhymes!
Please, stop putting kids up on pedestals because they can (sometimes) do something else than watching television. Thanks. |
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oscarf Regular user 159 Posts |
I'm not so sure about that. There seems to be a big movement these days telling us that talent is overrated, and that brute force is what gets anyone much of anywhere. Gladwell tells us that it takes 10,000 hours to master a complex task, and I'm sure that anyone who can put in 10,000 hours on something will be better at it than most other people. I'm impressed by the talent of being able to spend 10,000 hours on anything, to tell you the truth. But other than that, maybe nothing takes any talent.
It's my guess that being able to fall that in love with anything is what takes talent. Maybe there's a genius out there who hasn't taken the 10K but I kind of doubt it. Everyone I know who has memorized pi to many digits as a kid has gone on to considerable success in life, and I've known a bunch. That much I can tell you. What's it a measure of? Talent? Determination? Maybe the difference rounds to zero. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
"Talent is overrated". Nowadays nothing can be more exact! Just watch shows like "x's got talent" (just to name one) five minutes and you'll get my point. Okay, once every 10,000 there is one guy talented, I agree. But 9,999 times out of 10,000 is merely pure ****. The worst is when kids are involved, make them shaking their hips or bellowing three rhymes and you have a genius.
Time is near when you'll become someone because you'll be able to read a book or to spell your name correctly. |
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oscarf Regular user 159 Posts |
Have you seen the movie "Idiocracy?" It's almost unwatchable but hilarious because it hits so close to home. It takes place in the future which is just as you describe, making the viewer realize that it is already like that now. I watched it one night, and then I was watching a morning talk show the next morning, and I couldn't tell if I was still watching the movie!
Also, I did try to watch America's Got Talent, or as one idiot I know thinks it's called "Americans Got Talent" to which all I can say is that if that show is to be our guide, no, Americans ain't. Whaddya gonna do? |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Now, I need to watch that movie . Thanks for mentioning it.
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oscarf Regular user 159 Posts |
You won't regret it, except that it will harden your view of our world, but it sounds like you don't have far to go I had heard of it, but didn't bother. It just turned up on TV a few months ago and I was having a slow-news day, but I thought it was great, in a cynical sense of the word.
Alright, maybe I hijacked this thread, so I'll bring it back with a story for anyone else still reading. About ten years ago, I made the Internet acquaintance of a guy who was interested in some transcriptions I did on the guitar. We traded information and tunes, and I was impressed with what an astute musician this guy was. We kept up a correspondence, and have talked about writing a guitar book together, though we haven't quite got around to actually doing it yet. Anyway, when FaceBook got big, we friended each other there, and followed along in the usual fashion. A few years ago, I got onto the Tamariz stack and had fun memorizing it and playing with it. One day, I noticed that my Internet friend, Nelson, had posted a picture of various piles of playing cards on his desk with a timer or some contraption nearby. I asked him what it was a picture of and he told me it was to practice memorizing playing cards. I said I was into magic and was memorizing a deck myself - what a coincidence. He said, "just one deck?" with incredulity. I said, yes, and it took me forever. He them told me that he was a "memory athlete" trying to go through as many cards as possible in one pass and memorize them. He was too modest to tell me last year that he holds a USA record score for 2011 of 52 cards in 1:03 (that's minutes and seconds, btw). I decided to withhold from him how long it took me to get the Tamariz stack, especially since his deck was random. He is Nelson Dellis, and he won the USA Memory Championship 2012 just a couple of months ago. He says anyone can do it, and most of us know _how_ it's done, but still ... Anyway, Nelson is a talented guitarist and a mountain climber as well, so maybe he's got something we don't, or just superhuman drive, but in any case, I admire the guy! |
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TeslaTao New user 65 Posts |
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However, I do think this person who set the world record could probably commit the Aronson stack to memory in at least a day. After putting in 4-5 hours learning Harry Loryane's system, I was able to memorize the Aronson stack in about half an hour total. It's really not a hard feat - the hard part is to drill it into your memory so you're not going "40 rose, combing the rose's petals, comb, clubs 3." After memorizing |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Buy Lorayne's The Memory Book. It will change your life forever.
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oscarf Regular user 159 Posts |
Agreed. I have everything Harry's written and recorded on memory (including memory for old guys) and I love it and use it. For some reason, though, I used the Dominic system for Mnemonica. Maybe to have a pristine system for the deck, though by now I don't need it for that since it doesn't take long to just know the stack.
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Adam1975 Special user UK 900 Posts |
Memorizing 58 decks ala O Brien is mind boggling,mind boggling I tell thee
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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