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Mitch Schneiter Special user West Linn, Oregon 672 Posts |
I hope someone can help me out concerning Ball Vase routines. I have Marlo's Arcade Dreams with his routine, Skinner's routine in Intimate Magic, Edward Victor's routine from the Rae Hammond book on Victor's magic, and Mike Gallo's routine in Richards Almanac.
Searching past posts I saw a mention that Karrel Fox had a routine in one of his books. Can anyone tell me which book? Also, does his routine use the gaff? Another post mentioned that Michael Close has a routine. Is this in print or DVD and does it use the gaff? I haven't picked up Charlie Frye's DVD yet, does his routine use the gaff? And can it only be done with ping pong balls or will a regular ball vase and ball work (non ping pong ball version)? It was mentioned that there was a routine in Magic Menu which I have not been able to locate. Anybody know which issue? I understand Eric DeCamps has a ball vase routine that has not been released in the U.S. but had a limited release in Japan? Anyone have information on this routine or better yet, does anybody have a copy they would sell me? And finally, have I missed anything? Please inform me of any routines I've missed. Thanks in advance. |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
I can answer the Charlie Frye part. Yes he uses the gaff. It doesn't matter what ball you use, as long as it fits, but he paints both the ball and gaff either into an eyeball or 8-ball pattern.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
What gaff? You mean there is a gaff to the ball and vase?
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Sorry, I must have been thinking of something else.
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Euangelion Special user 688 Posts |
Careful, Dave, we'll be keeping our eye on you.
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
I knew there was a piece missing to my Ball and Vase.
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
I use a modified version Mike Gallo's routine with my table hopping and stand-up servante. LOVE it! Kid's love it! Parents can't figure it out! I use a small Adams B&V (K.I.S.S.) and a larger wooden set for larger groups.
Thanks, Mike! :o) Skip
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Mitch Schneiter Special user West Linn, Oregon 672 Posts |
Dave - Thanks for the Charlie Frye info. By the way, your Quintuplicate Coincidence is a Fooler. I bought it years ago and it always gets a good response.
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Thanks! I'm glad you like it.
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GaryL New user Vancouver, BC 1 Post |
Mitch,
The Karrell Fox routine is in the book "Clever... Like A Fox", published by Supreme Magic in the mid seventies. I have never tried the routine but it seems well thought out and, yes, it does use the gaff. He had a unique although typically (for Fox) corny presentation for it called The Dwarf's Bowling Trophy and apparently used a cheap SS Adams ball and vase. Gary |
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Mitch Schneiter Special user West Linn, Oregon 672 Posts |
Gary - Thanks for the Fox book info and welcome to the Café.
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Mitch Schneiter Special user West Linn, Oregon 672 Posts |
I'm still trying to track down some Ball and Vase routine references. I've seen it mentioned that the following have Ball Vase routines but have had no luck in finding where they are in print: Lewis Ganson, Senor Mardo, John Howie, Michael Close, and Stewart Judha. It was also mentioned that there is a ball vase routine in the Magic Menu but I've searched through it and haven't found it. Any help in my search would be very appreciated. Thanks.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Harry Riser has a ball and vase and Cone routine in The Feints and Temps of Harry Riser.
When I sell cones, I usually ask if it's for the Vernon routine or something else. On occasion, they direct me to Mr. Riser's book. So there is another one.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts |
Harry Riser's routine uses a Morrison Pill Box, which is a substantially more expensive piece of kit that allows more to be done than can be accomplished with a standard ball vase. Can the Riser routine be adapted to use a standard ball vase? - I'm not so sure.
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cataquet Veteran user England 363 Posts |
Further to Taliesin's comments, have a look at Hoffman's Modern Magic. Specifically, chapter 15 is all about ball tricks with apparatus. The chapter describes the ball box and the Morrison Pill Box as well as a few other variations. While he doesn't describe complete routines, he does describe substantial phases.
BTW, why are you looking for routines?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Why do I get the feelign that there is some room here for a good routine about a guy who visits a magician's home and the magician offers to show the visitor his ball trick. So saying he goes over to the mantle and removes an ornate case.
How many of you keep your balls in a vase? Or did your wife put them there? How would you feel if you met a person who had an entire vase full of balls? "No really I am not taking my balls out with me, see, there is nothing in this little container"
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Mitch Schneiter Special user West Linn, Oregon 672 Posts |
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On 2005-10-22 16:29, cataquet wrote: I'm trying to find all the available ball & vase routines in print for a project I'm working on. I'm excited about it and when it's finished I think others will be interested too. Hopefully someone on the Café will be able to clue me in on where some of these routines I'm still searching for are in print. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Has anyone published a routine using two such vases?
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
Has anyone published a routine using two such vases?
Yes, a magician down in Texas (sorry, his name escapes me now), I believe there is some mention about it on Riser's site. Mike |
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cataquet Veteran user England 363 Posts |
The magician is Doug Gorman and his routine is called "The Stones of Tutankhamun". Have a look at http://www.jamesriser.com/Magic/StonesOf/Tutankhamun.html
I seem to think that there is a ball vase routine in the Art of Closeup magic. The Karrel Fox routine is online at http://www.stevensmagic.com/gemini/Karre......ophy.htm Also, have a look at these references: Tom Osborne "Cups and Balls Magic" (1937?), p. 53 John Carney's Ball Vase "The Magic of Thayer" (Video) Dick Williams "Take Two! Magic in Focus" (Video)
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