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I am very interested Conus! Please let me know if you ever decide to publish a guide on mnemonics.

Thanks!
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After take off, I hand the magazine to the person seated next to me and ask them to name any page number -- and I describe what's on the page.

Conus: this sounds good. But maybe instead of handing them the magazine, you could say, (looking in the seatback pouch in front of you--you've ditched the magazine)"usually there's an inflight magazine in here, but mine seems to be gone. Is there one in front of you?" This would imply that you haven't even seen the magazine, let alone memorized it or gimmicked it in some way. And you "never touch" it.
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I just watched Barrie Richardson do this. (I think that it is in Act 2.)
It totally blew everyone away. It is awesome.
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I do an effect I call the "Alabama Book Test." I memorize the latest issue of The Weekly World News, which is weirdest tabloid paper I can find. I explain that it's my primary source of information and that the articles wouldn't be in print if they weren't true. While makings such jokes, I have audience members pass around the pages of the paper so that different people can quiz me on various stories. Then I have folks call out page numbers so that I can tell them what's on the pages in question. Because of the absurdity of the "news," the routine has comedy built right into it. The demonstration always gets a great reaction.

Regarding Lorayne vs. O'Brien, I've been using Lorayne's techniques (well, the ones he helped to popularize) for almost 20 years. But as Josh mentioned, Dominic O'Brien's system for memorizing numbers is more powerful. Almost every competitor in the world memory championship uses the Dominic System; it's the way to go for blinding speed. But if you don't plan to take your memorization to that level, Lorayne's books will serve you well. Both approaches enable you to memorize huge amounts of information in very short periods.


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Jimtron - you could go that route. Personally, I like letting them watch me memorize the magazine and then proving it...it's lots of fun to watch them realize it's for real!
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A pile of the same magazine with different covers gives you not only a "grab any of those" moment
but also allows you to use the same memory images for a number of shows.
This can be useful if working a lot.

I also only memorise half the magazine.
Get the spec to tear it in half and "choose a half for me"

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On 2005-11-20 17:37, Conus wrote:
Jimtron - you could go that route. Personally, I like letting them watch me memorize the magazine and then proving it...it's lots of fun to watch them realize it's for real!


Ahh, I thought you were going for a psuedo-psychic effect. But having them watch you memorize sounds interesting to.
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At first I thought the mention of having them watch you memorize the magazine was tongue in cheek. But, apparently not.

Reminds me of the old joke about life in a small town. For excitement we'd go down to the diner and watch the Banana Cream Pie go bad.

Tell me... how much do you have to pay them to get them to watch you memorize a magazine.

Please understand that I said that with a big twinkle in my eye. But, it sounds so incredibly boring, doesn't it?

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Everyone talks about Harry Loraynes's books etc. What is the best book or course of Harry's to get? He seem sto have a lot of different books out.

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Simon,

Most of his books cover the exact same material, just presented in a different format or context. For instance, "Super Memory - Super Student" emphasizes the system's application to studying topics that students typically encounter.

For general memory work, I'd recommend either "The Memory Book" or "How to Develop a Super-Power Memory." The Memory Book utilizes a conversational style, as segments of the book take the form of dialogues between Harry Lorayne and the book's supposed co-author, Jerry Lucas (of basketball fame). How to Develop covers the same material with a slightly different "voice." You can't go wrong with either one; they're both terrific and Lorayne's a great teacher.

--Josh
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I agree with Josh: The Memory Book is excellent.

If you find during your learning of memory systems that you tend to remember people better than objects, then check out some of Dominic O'Brien's books. His system for remembering numbers (the Dominic System) utilizes people, not objects. Lorayne, Buzan, and many other memory book authors instead teach the Major System, which is object based.


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Thanks guys! It seems like a really interesting area.

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I second that. That in combination with "The Journey System" is really the bomb for doing what you want.
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And to clearify: I think that Harry Loraynes books are good for historical reference. But _the_system_ is not unique in any way. It is "the major system" which has very old roots, and its use for the peg system.

What Dominic O'Brian does is not only to reflect on both these systems, he also covers the number-shape-system (Like Tony Buzan also likes to do) and the most important: The Journey System (and the old predecessor Loci) and the DOMINIC System.

With the latter two you can remember very long chain of things. VERY long.

For small memory stunts like a 20-bullet list etc, you can stay with Lorayne/Buzan/Major/Number-shape, but to go further, I highly recommend Dominic O'Briens material and books.
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Gus,

Saying that the system that Lorayne et al teach is appropriate for "small memory stunts like a 20-bullet list" seems like shortchanging it. For almost any display of memory -- such as Lorayne's memorization of the name of every audience member, or Andruzzi's magazine act -- it's more than powerful enough, and very easy to learn.

Granted, as I've said, that O'Brien's method is more powerful, and if one decides to commit to making a much deeper study of memory techniques, absolutely worthwhile learning. But the vast majority of magicians and mentalists are not going to do what O'Brien does (go into competition with other memory experts), nor are their demonstrations going to be long and complex enough to take advantage of O'Brien's power.

That said, I have a question for you. Given that I sometimes recommend O'Brien to people who, having learned from Lorayne's books, want to go further, I find myself stymied by the fact that HOW TO DEVELOP A PERFECT MEMORY sells for huge sums, IF you can find it at all (almost impossible in the US, BTW). It appears that many of his subsequent books are somewhat lighter on content than HTDAPM. Which specific O'Brien book would you recommend that covers the same material (or moreso) than HTDAPM?

--Josh
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Josh

Dominic O'Brien's book is sold as an e-book at http://www.lybrary.com for $39.90. Definitely worth the buy.

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On 2005-12-04 08:54, Josho wrote:

Saying that the system that Lorayne et al teach is appropriate for "small memory stunts like a 20-bullet list" seems like shortchanging it.


Yes. This was of course an exaggeration. But as all people forever reiterates Lorayne, I just want them to know: There has happened things since Harry first wrote his "How to develop a super-power memory".
The material in that book is pretty much the same as the old David Roth-course and the Josef Fideler pamphlet "Mnemotechnic" published around 1910-20.

My point is: The Journey System is a killer. The DOMINIC-system is even better than the old Major system, but all of them can live side by side.

Don't miss the _development_ that has happened.

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On 2005-12-04 08:54, Josho wrote:

That said, I have a question for you. Given that I sometimes recommend O'Brien to people who, having learned from Lorayne's books, want to go further, I find myself stymied by the fact that HOW TO DEVELOP A PERFECT MEMORY sells for huge sums, IF you can find it at all (almost impossible in the US, BTW). It appears that many of his subsequent books are somewhat lighter on content than HTDAPM. Which specific O'Brien book would you recommend that covers the same material (or moreso) than HTDAPM?


I would say that 'Remember' or that 'Brilliant memory in 52 weeks' definitively covers the same as "HTDAPM". But take a look at lybrary.com and you'll find an ebook there.
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Thanks, guys. I generally steer clear of lybrary.com, and would rather go with a real book if available. I'll grab "Brilliant Memory" and compare. (It's interesting -- the reviews I read of "Learn to Remember" swing both ways, some saying it covers the Journey method and the Dominic method just fine, others saying it's way too much of a summary and that there's not enough detail.)

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Yes. I would say that "Leran to Remember" is more general about the learning process, and "How to Develop a Brilliant Memory Week by Week" is despite it's not so professional name, very practical and right to the point.
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Josho, I would be interested why you 'generally steer clear of lybrary.com'? Not comfortable with ebooks? Other reasons? I like to understand your point of view better to think about how to improve my offering.

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