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I have finished these tapes and mastered all but about 5 manipulations only because I thought they were not worth it, but if I were to rate this tape on manipultion it would get a 9.5 out of ten 10. Every card person should get these tapes. It for me took 6 months to understand eveything really well and perform the sleights amost perfect. Now here is my question Smile where should I go from here?

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Now practice them all for another ten years. You may be able to do them all, but "mastery" is a mighty big word, and it takes a lot longer than six months.

However, the next step aside from "true mastery", would be to create a strong routine. You have most of the card manipulation moves ever devised and it's time to start using them. The tapes have more than you'll ever actually need for a good routine, and for heavens sake, don't try to fit in all, or even half, or probably even a 1/4 of the moves. I've seen people do this, and it just looks like you're trying to do every move in the book, in what they "call" a routine. And of course, that's exactly what you're trying to do.

You can also go the way I like to go and start coming up with your own moves for the lesser part, and new ways to use the old moves for the greater.

Good luck, you have a long road ahead.

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I have mastered the sleights but not the angles. How long is a good routine? 15 minutes? 20 minutes? At 120 minuts I'll drop on my side. It wont be pretty. Smile

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mastering the selights should take u longer than 6 months, it took me 3 years to master the front plam to back plam, with the least flash that I can, and yet I still dont think I have mastered it enough, these are hard selights, I mean, how many can u plam? I say in 6 months you can do about 16 cards with out being noticed, unless ur using manipulation cards than probally more, but I still think 6 months, isint enough for you to call it "MASTERING". well thats just my thought.

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Haha I can palm 20 now and not have any noticed I am a very fast learner Ive got the pivot down pretty well the only problem is the angles on it. I guess you guys are right im not really mastery level on this tape.

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Wow, I have been doing card manip. for over 15 years and have only "mastered" about 10 moves. I guess I am a slow learner. Remember doing this in front of 900 people is a totally different experience.
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I will be performing card manipulation on stage for the first time next month.. I finally retired the first deck of Bee's that I had been working with since I took this up.. They had gotten really dingy looking.. I hope I can get the newer cards broken in well enough..
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Could you suggest me a good book for beginners about card manipulation ? What about the Ganson's Routined Manipulation Finale ?
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How much time does a routine take in card manipulation?
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To master Thurston's "Five Card Vanish and Reproduction" must take longer than six months! That is one hard sequence of manipulations for me. Mine will not be ready for a few years.
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I got it on the second try angles and everything. I really want to know though how long is a routine.

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2-4 mins most, i had done a mistake for going up to 7 minutes, as i have said in one of these posts.

one more thing, being a fast learner doesn't make you all that great, its in the presentation. thats where all of the magic lies. sure u can back plam 20 cards, but hey! if you cant do it correctly, then there is no point in performing is there? and dang 20 cards, u must be a super, ultra fast learner, it took me 2 and 1/2 years to get up to there, and i think ima preaty fast learner. well practice, and i hope u get your angles down.

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good luck with the performance Geoff.

just out of morbid curiosity, what type of venue (sp?) is it?
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Why doesn't anyone beleive that I got the slieghts almost to mastery or mastered in 6 months? I never said presentation or angles, just the sleights. Also if it sounds like Im showing off Im not I just wanted to rate a tape and ask were to go from there. I had no idea how long it took all of you so I thought this is the normal speed. Im sorry if I offended anyone by this.

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Well i learnt the whole video in two hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just kidding, I wish)
Will everyone stop trying to out do each other.
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Wikiro,

If anything, I believe it is your use of the word "mastery". I guess you could say that it's misleading.

If I have "mastered" a sleight, but have not done my homework on the angles, how do I know that I really have it "mastered"? that I haven't "mastered" an (albeit slightly) incorrect handling.

Card manipulation is a fairly complex art form. So when someone comes along and claims to have mastered all of the moves from a 3 video set in 6 months (especially given that the video's instructor said that mastery would take many years), it raises a few eyebrows.

I think people assume that the person is either A. full of it, or B. thinks he knows what he's doing, but honestly has no clue.

Personally, I am not going to try and judge you. I am not in NY and therefore cannot see your manipulations to decide for myself what I believe your skill level to be.

I would always be hesitant to use the word or concept of mastery. Particularly when the topic at hand is of a difficult or complex nature. "Proficient" or "good at", sure, but mastery is a whole new ball game.

In closing, it's merely a wording issue. "only a fool claims to be a master" so the saying goes.

best of luck with the manipulations.
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I totally agree with you,
well said kallak, well said.

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On 2002-10-29 06:38, Kallak wrote:
good luck with the performance Geoff.

just out of morbid curiosity, what type of venue (sp?) is it?


Its a good old fashioned theatre, with stage lighting and all that jazz...
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cool!

again, good luck with it. do let me know how it goes.
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I changed it from mastery to something else I guess I went overboard Im sorry. I was so happy I got how to do the mercury production with casino cards (short corners)I didnt hear myself. I feel like a total...well I won't say it. I am really sorry. I hate it when people do that and I just did it.

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Feeling really stupid.


Oh and Geoff I hope it goes really well. Tell use what happens.
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