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rossmacrae Inner circle Arlington, Virginia 2477 Posts 
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you left out one of the most important criteria of what art is (at least for me). That is stirring an emotion in the observer. One man's meat is another man's poison, they say, and "there's no accounting for taste" (maybe my taste runs to the bitter side), PLUS I am often guilty of sniffling at inexcusably sappy movies/songs/poems, but the way they're selling these things puts a spin on 'em that to me seems just cynical ... turns 'em into "glurge". Glurge: A certain kind of feel-good story. The feel-good aspect is so overdone that it is more likely to nauseate rather than inspire. Glurge often has a religious theme and is most commonly circulated via e-mail in the form of a "forward this to everybody you know" chain letter. Common themes are man's relationship with God or sick or threatened children protected by angels or cute animals. |
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Micheal Leath Inner circle 1048 Posts
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I think I'm going to start throwing blobs of paint onto canvases, call it art, and never work again.
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts
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On 2005-08-24 19:23, RandyStewart wrote: That's my "Northwoods" Laboratory. Always tinkering with a little sumpin' sumpin' up there. In this case I think it's just a deck of cards. LOL
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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Brian Turntime Special user 671 Posts
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Quote: As paint-flinging janitor Jackson Pollack said about the amazing Norman Rockwell.
rossmacrae regrettably wrote: Illustration - yes, and pretty good illustration. Art ... naaaaah. If these pictures are art, McDonald's serves gourmet hamburgers. http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/artists/N......mall.jpg
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Nell Loyal user Germany 265 Posts
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I'm a scenic painter in the theatre. They call the paintings I do art, but I don't have half the talent that girl does. My sister is a portrait artist, I sent the link to her. I'm interested to hear her opinions.
Anyhow, it's true beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think the paintings are beautiful. Not necessarily my favorite style or the best I've seen, but still...incredible talent is at work there.
"A trick may be very good...but...the illusionist must be better than the trick." -René Lavand
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Ghoulchaser New user CT 26 Posts
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I also feel this girl is an incredible talent. How many 9 year olds, let alone average adults do you know that can create like that?
Mike F.
Owner Ghoulchaser Magic www.ghoulchasermagic.com "Living is not the number of breaths you take, rather the number of times your breath is taken away...." |
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BlackShadow Special user London UK 666 Posts
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It's typical blatant USA commercialism and marketing.
To order prints on canvas or originals...considered the only known child binary genius...to purchase the originals... available in limited editions...Akiane donates a substantial portion from the sales...call 800.318.0947 or email: love@artakiane.com... Coming Up - Akiane's book It's absolutely sickening. She's only 10 and the parents have gone into marketing overdrive. |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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It does look rather like that smaltzy art you can buy in poster form. Having said that, it's still better than I can do!
My daughter is 14 and does anime style art, freehand. She's very good, but I'm not exactly ready to start marketing her!
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Brian Turntime Special user 671 Posts
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BlackShadow: oh, heaven forfend that somebody should sell something to someone else to make them happy.
What do you want, for them to say: "Here... we think this is okay, you don't really want it, do you?" And magicians should stop using "The Amazing" as an appellation too, I guess. Further, how do you know what they've all been through? Who are you to judge them? Maybe they've been scratching to make it and they see an opportunity to provide their daughter a good education one day. Maybe when she's older no one will buy her paintings, but will do so now because of the novelty/ uniqueness of her age. Make hay while the sun shines. Is anyone forcing others to buy the paintings? It's just persuasion-- and not sickening. Coercive confiscatory fiscal policies, government meddling like the EU's thought police, THAT's sickening. Or maybe you would prefer it if the US just tax everyone to death and put radical malcontents on the dole who plot to kill innocents and overthrow the government. I'd rather see a hundred high-talent prodigies marketing themselves in strong terms than a single layabout dole-sucking, Mercedes-driving coffee-sipper plotting the next subway bombing. But the reality is exactly reversed in the world, isn't it? The prodigy like this girl is rare, while the parasites are many. At least the plotters aren't "commercial," right? Have you ever read the biography of Yorkshire vet Alf Wight, by his son: "The Real James Herriot"? Alf didn't really see any financial success until his sixth book, thanks to the rapacity of the tax scheme. Imagine: a best-seller forced to slog away at calf-pulling, at his age, because the govt had so much to spend on.
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Randy Loyal user Rochester, NY 261 Posts
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To me, this stuff looks like what you would see for sale at any craft sale or festival. Is this "Art" because she is 10 years old?
BTW - Many of the painings look like they should have been painted on black velvet.
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rossmacrae Inner circle Arlington, Virginia 2477 Posts
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I live in America - born and raised here - I love America with all my heart - and I agree 100% with Blackshadow.
This overdone attempt to appeal to knee-jerk cornball emotionalism - "This little girl is so blessed by God, now shut up and buy our stuff" - is just the thing some people go for, but it comes across as insulting to the intelligence of many others. And it seems like a transparent bit of manipulation as well. Some people like their religious coffee with LOTS of sugar and cream, and prefer to believe that God blesses "miracle children" (I have some relatives who have been known to send my family presents like little angel necklaces so the angels will look after them). Others like their coffee plain, and feel genuinely repulsed by the thought of God as a sugar-coated cosmic Barney. Quote:
On 2005-08-31 12:06, Brian Turntime wrote: Well, unless I'm mistaken, ideas presented in a FORUM are open to discussion. If you want only agreement, seek a safer place, where your smiling neighbors all happily agree, and where divergent views are never heard. I'm sure there is some such place where you'll be safe from anything other than total acceptance. I was often told that disagreement was disloyal, rude, traitorous, that I must "hate America" ... that was in the years when Nixon almost succeeded in trashing the Constitution (pesky things, those freedoms, aren't they?) - we're hearing the same thing nowadays - but it's still America (for the moment), I still love it, and if someone stands up in a public forum and asks my opinion, I'm gonna feel free to give an honest answer. And if you think a ten-year-old painted those pictures, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. |
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Brian Turntime Special user 671 Posts
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I think you've got a real problem with obfuscatory argument there, lifting the quote so far out of my context (repudiating blackshadow for pomposity in judging others' motives) that you end up implying-- I don't even know what exactly, but it sure wasn't relevant to anything I wrote. Complete non sequitur...yikes. If it was a radio show where you caught the tail end of a comment, I can understand, but dang, man, read the whole paragraph. Yeesh. You made no sense in that reply whatsoever.
BTW What is your evidence that she didn't paint them?
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rossmacrae Inner circle Arlington, Virginia 2477 Posts
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Here, pal, I'll pull in some of your context:
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On 2005-08-31 12:06, Brian Turntime wrote: Okay ... maybe they need the dough, and she won't be a cute little girl forever, so they should sell their cutesie-poo stuff to the gullible while they can. Hurrah for free enterprise! I want to give my kids an education, too, and it's not likely to happen on a magician's earnings, but I'm not parading them on the street corner as "miracle children" to make a buck. Nobody's forcing anyone to buy the painting. Nobody forces anyone to buy the parade of sleazy tabloids at the grocery checkout, or to watch Jerry Springer, or (perhaps more in line with this enterprise) to send their life savings to some televangelist who claims God told him to ask You ... yes, YOU ... for a special gift today. Nobody forces them at all. But they're still all, every single one of them, disingenuous substitutes for serious thought and serious devotion. And if you bring in the "EU's thought police," I'll bring in the current thought police trying to hijack American freedoms. That's just a sidebar, anyway. My point is, these paintings are fully qualified to be done on black velvet and sold to whomever finds them a suitable substitute for art - it's none of my business if you want to buy them by the carload, but it's well within my right to watch as they go by and think "Gosh what a carload of junk!" As for my "evidence that she didn't paint them" ... well, my two eyes, for one thing. I'm equally sure she didn't write "Hamlet" or compose "The Moonlight Sonata" and I don't have any evidence for those conclusions either. Good heavens, you don't find it improbable to a degree that puts it quite outside the realm of believability? |
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Brian Turntime Special user 671 Posts
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Of course it's your right to condemn her, condemn the parents for their audacity in wanting to survive, and your right to be confused about any number of things. Totally your right. But...
What you're saying is you have no evidence she didn't create the paintings, none... only suspicions. How old was Mozart when he wrote his first composition? How old was Alexandra Nechita when she sold her first painting? How old was Blaise Pascal when he wrote his first proof or treatise? Do you think you're the first to be incredulous? Do you think that other cynical and insecure people have not challenged their veracity? Doesn't it stand to reason that others have sought real evidence to either prove or disprove her? Quote: You seem to have real difficulty with logic on this. Of course you have evidence she didn't write Hamlet and whatnot: Elsinore (Helsingor) castle in Denmark for one thing, has had a monument to Shakespeare's Hamlet for 100 years.
I'm equally sure she didn't write "Hamlet" or compose "The Moonlight Sonata" and I don't have any evidence for those conclusions either. Evidence would be represented, for example, either by someone seeing her parents or another artist create the paintings, then give her credit. Also, it might be asking her to paint and her being unable to. The FACT that she did indeed create art in front of others to independently verify, is actually beyond the lower standard of evidence: it's PROOF. It's proven-- via independent verification-- the claim has been tested. Anyway, I'm done with this tiff. If you didn't learn critical thinking skills in school, it's not my problem.
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rossmacrae Inner circle Arlington, Virginia 2477 Posts
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We all know "To those who believe, no explanation is necessary: to those who believe not, no explanation is possible."
You choose to believe, and there are ample wise sayings (along with multitudinous Biblical texts) that support that kind of faith - I am not without faith; I certainly believe some things that I can't prove or explain, but I can't swallow this one. I don't walk down dark alleys in bad parts of town jingling the change in my pocket - I don't have to have PROOF that it's a bad idea, I don't need to SEE the bad guys lurking down there, in order to have the common sense not to do it. A great many things have been "verified by others" and they're still as false as can be - from the Fox Sisters' spirit-rapping (plenty of people saw them contact the dead that way and swore they'd witnessed the supernatural) to the multitudinous cheap magic tricks some faith-healers use so the masses can see proof that they can turn miracles on and off like a switch. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. By the way, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth fairy told me to tell you they said "Hi." |
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BlackShadow Special user London UK 666 Posts
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On 2005-08-31 12:22, Vandy Grift wrote: Aha, Vandy, you're obviously quite the expert on all this, aren't you. What website would that be then ? 
(And, even if I did have one, I wouldn't be dragging in my 10 year old daughter or eulogising my charity donations as cynical marketing tools  )
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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Ahh....
All this over a little girl selling some of her paintings... 
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts
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On 2005-09-03 17:51, BlackShadow wrote: Are you Rick Maue? Whose website is linked in your signature?
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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Steve Dela Special user U.K. London 961 Posts
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If it is her doing the Paintings, then yes she has talent.
Not my style but everyone has their own opinions, I think age should have nothing to do with it. You can learn to paint like that within a year easily if someone showed you. So the fact she is 9 doesn't impress me. I was creating magic at that age. As to what is art... Anything drawn on paper that I like! to me that is art. I am an artist and can't stand the pompous arty farty type opinionated viewers/buyers/painters... I just think, shut up! Steve Dela |
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BlackShadow Special user London UK 666 Posts
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No I'm not Rick Maue, though thanks for the compliment
But, your jump to that conclusion is revealing. The fact that someone would actually bother to link to a website without any motive of personal financial gain... oh the shock of it 
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