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Gibybo
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i have developed a way of forceing a card in wich u rifle through the deck so the cards are all shown, the spectator remembers one he/she sees. the card was forced and it works 80% of the time. its a great way to force a card and perhaps the least obvious way of doing it... is it already out there? anmy views or oppinions on it?
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if it's a trimmed down card, slightly shorter then the others, then yes, it is out there.

If that's not what you meant, PM me and I'll have a look at it for you.

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Peter Marucci
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Sounds more like a "peek".
As Steve says, PM more info and we may be able to help.
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It sound also like the riffle force described by Banachek in PK Subt.
Il était une fois...

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haha thats great! NONE of you guys rememebrb that from the cecrets of magic ervealed?!? Rem,emerb the thing on Fox that everyone was yelling and screaming about, and i siad was reeally no big deal, if not a good thing? It was only like 3 weeks ago...Just goes to show ot even we rememebr the secrets rvealed there!

But I do think its a good force, thanks for mentioning it agian!

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Is it the same force as was on the FOX special?? It sounds like either that, or some kind of riffle force. Smile
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well i haven;t seen that show so i wouldn't know... a freind thought up an idea like it (atleast i thought it came from his imagination), i figured out a way of doing it then i got this. how was the one on fox done? it might not be the same, i use and ungimicked deck can be completly impromtu with a borrowed deck does this sound like the one on fox???
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Gibybo

There are various methods for doing this the principle is not new.

There's the short card, the delayed riffle, and the last card delay all of which will work.

Let me know if you've come up with something different - would be interested to know.

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oooo cool... its very similar, how would the short card work? i hope im not giving anything away here but like putting a short card infront of the forced card or what? cause i dont see how the short card could be it as it would go with the card in front of it similar to a sv****** deck
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I don't mean this at all unkindly, but it strikes me that we have some posters here who are in over their heads.
They do not appear to be sufficiently well grounded in basic sleights and standard gimmicks to be entering the world of creating moves!
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Come on Peter - if you think someone's in over their heads say who it is - then let's have the debate.

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As soon as a person gets the idea in their head that they are going to perform a magic trick, they have "entered the world of creating moves." How do you NOT create a move? Unless you have read all the moves and learned them then everything you do is a move created by you. Just knowing the "secret" is such a small part of performing a magic trick. Working through the entire deception will require anyone to creatively experiment with all the "moves."
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Sorry, MikeM, but that info came to me by PM (so you know it's not you!) and I'm, therefore, not at liberty to name names.

Rob Allen writes: "As soon as a person gets the idea in their head that they are going to perform a magic trick, they have "entered the world of creating moves"."

Well, not exactly.
Unless you are willing to say that every person who does a trick has created that trick (because the very fact that a different person does it each time makes it a different trick!)

What is NOT creating a move is knowing a half-dozen moves and coming up with something else that, it turns out, has been published more than a hundred years ago -- and claiming it is original, without doing any research or even knowing that research is necessary!

Rob, you say: "Just knowing the "secret" is such a small part of performing a magic trick."

Well, of course. I couldn't agree more. But, as you say, it is a PART of performing the trick and, as such, must be totally understood, including its background. And to totally understand the background, one must know what has gone before -- which are the other, earlier moves!

You add: "Working through the entire deception will require anyone to creatively experiment with all the "moves"."

That would be nice if it were true. But it isn't, as we all know!
The majority of would-be magicians find one move and, if it works halfway well, they use it and do no more investigation of the trick.

I've had people tell me, excitedly, that they have come up with a brand new concept: cards that taper to one end! And they have just "discovered" it.
Well, yes, much as the New Yorker "discovers" San Francisco for the first time.
But that doesn't mean SF didn't exist earlier!
You can't "discover" or "create" something that has already been discovered or created! Period!
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Gibybo

Yes a short card in front of the force card will do the trick with the right timing - retention of vision principle.

Now how about you disclosing to the forum specificaly what you think is new? You may be surprised to find it was thought of years ago.

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Rob Allen writes:-

As soon as a person gets the idea in their head that they are going to perform a magic trick, they have "entered the world of creating moves."

Rob - not necessarily - if your well versed in the sleights contained within the effect the moves are to some extent secondary.

What is of more importance is to dissect the trick and work out the appropriate presentation which fits your personality.

Analysing the moves and developing the essential misdirection to mask those moves is more important than the moves per se.

My goal in attempting any effect is to create a magical experience where there is no possible explanation to the layman on the modus operandi

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Great posts, guys.

I would agree that there is a large difference between performing magic and creating moves. It is un-necessary and even counter-productive for a beginning pianist to try and make up his own chords. Everyone would agree that in the first few years of an art like music, creativity and originality are not the focus. Study, theory and learning from the masters are what develop an artist.

The originality comes naturally and through a long process of putting yourself into the art, blood, sweat and tears.

I feel magic is an art on the level of music and drama, and so the same guidlines apply.

Also, there's a big difference between creating sleights, and putting together your own effects. Writing a song is different that creating your own chords.
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