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Joel Givens![]() New user 60 Posts ![]() |
Hey guys,
I'm working on a project and a lot of my books are still in boxes. I was wondering if you could help me. I want to do this right, so if you do know of a particular credit, it would be helpful if you had the title, author, year of publication, and page RANGE (not just the first page) of the item in question. Of course, I'll take any help I can get! Thanks in advance. Kelly Bottom Placement: is there a detailed account of this move's history. Where? Ramsay Subtlety: We all use it and know it, but was there an original place of publication? Wilson Grip? I would be interested in knowing this, because it's sometimes referred to as "Bob Fitch Grip." This is the grip where the coin is held by the index finger. Mike Gallo originated the backfire concept in a coins across routine...but do you know if and when he first published it? I also need only the year of Daryl's For Your Entertainment Pleasure...that's a tough book to find. Quick Three Way has a clouded history. Where did Marlo first publish it and is the history documented anywhere? Troy Hooser's Pendulum Cut is in his book but it was first published in the premiere issue of Minotaur. Does anyone have the specs on that issue? (Year, page numbers, etc.) David Neighbors' Nest and Slide move is a great shell/utility move. Where did he first print it? Lin Searles' Cannibal Cards: first publication is...? I need a credit for the old 21 force. It's a mathematical thing...but does anyone know where it came from? The Paul Harris idea of using tilt to show face-up and face-down cards...was in which routine? The HaLo cut was first printed in Rim Shots...does anyone know the year and page range for that move? Also, I seem to recall Stephen Minch having a footnote in one of his books tracing this move back very far. Anyone recall this? I know it is a lot...but any help is appreciated. I just want to make sure I find all these sources one way or another. Thanks, Joel Givens |
mike gallo![]() Inner circle 1341 Posts ![]() |
Joel...email or PM me...I can help you with a couple of the credits you want.
Mike |
Curtis Kam![]() V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts ![]() |
Joel,
Lots of questions, and Mike probably has the inside scoop on anything I get wrong here, but: The "backfire" ending to coins across first appeared in Ross Bertram's Stars of Magic issue, pre-1951, and so pre-Mike Gallo, I'm guessing. Lin Searles sold his original "Cannibal Cards" as a gaffed packet trick. Or a dealer sold it for him. I'd say that was the first publication. The use of tilt to verify the Face Up / Face Down condition of the deck originally appeared in Mentzer's "Magic of Paul Harris". There were two triumph routines in that book, I think, so I can't recall the title exactly..."Joker Poker"? Ramsay Subtlety appears in Sachs' "Sleight of Hand" in a passage I'll quote in the Buffet section here soon. The first description of Ramsay's uses would probably be the Victor Farellli write up of his "Cylinder and Coins", unless he published it in a magazine first. The cite I usually see for the Kelly Bottom Placement is Tarbell's. I think the Orvette Master Move was published separately. Mike has covered the history of Jimmy Wilson's Grip here on the Café before, but I'm sure he'll be able to help you here. I'll try to dig up my copy of Daryl's book. You might find the date listed on his site, or Steven Minch's, or Magicmethods.com. Good luck, sounds like an interesting project.
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mike gallo![]() Inner circle 1341 Posts ![]() |
The "backfire" ending to coins across first appeared in Ross Bertram's Stars of Magic issue, pre-1951, and so pre-Mike Gallo, I'm guessing.
Curtis, this is a mere technicality...I still contend that Bertram stole it from me before I invented it... ![]() Mike |
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On 2005-08-26 22:09, Joel Givens wrote: I'm not certain, but I imagine that Wesley James gives at least a partial history in his book, Enchantments. -Jim
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Wesley James![]() V.I.P. Hazlet, New Jersey 372 Posts ![]() |
Joel,
Quick Three-way as we know it today is based on the original Ed Marlo routine from Ibidem #13 (12/1958), the Johnny Thompson treatment that appeared in Rusduck’s Cardiste #13 (1969), and some versions, including my own, include Harry Riser’s addition of an All-backs phase, plus elements and touches borrowed from Al Saal and Herb Zarrow (Epilogue #12, July 1971). That should sufficiently provide the background. The (Frank) Kelly's Bottom Placement (see Tarbell) is actually just one application of Joe Ovette's "Master Move," from the manuscript by the same name. Lin Searles "Cannibals Cards" routine was originally marketed--and may still be--by Owen Bros. (1959). The Halo Cut is actually a reiteration of Laurie Ireland's Pull-Down Cut, albeit using a slightly different technique. I think the others who responded have covered your other questions. Good luck with your book, Joel. Wesley James |
Lee Darrow![]() V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts ![]() |
Paul Harris used the "Tilt Move" which is actually also known as the Vernon Illusion of Depth subtlty in a routine called "Joker Poker" in his first book, The Magic of Paul Harris.
Lee Darrow, C.H.
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Magiguy![]() Inner circle Seattle, WA 5495 Posts ![]() |
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On 2005-08-26 22:09, Joel Givens wrote: This was published as Troy Hooser's Pendulum False Cut in the sneak preview issue of the Minotaur (which was originally a complimentary issue to introduce the magazine). It appeared on page 3, and the issue is dated November, 1988. |
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