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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts 
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On 2005-09-09 12:54, mike paris wrote: Are you allowed to protect yourself from armed SWAT teams who raid your house (by mistake)? On a more serious note, the question of how find and use acceptable personal protection in our society is non-trivial.
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Leland Stone Inner circle 1204 Posts
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Exactly. And even supporters of responsible gun ownership - like myself - grapple with that question. To date, no gun owner has ever given me a satisfactory response to this inquiry: "How do you make a gun accessible in an emergency but safe from little prying hands otherwise?"
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mike paris Regular user 179 Posts
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A key.
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts
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On 2005-09-09 09:59, Vandy Grift wrote: That is up there with "I know you are but what am I" as a response. I don't KNOW why. If I knew, I would have said. |
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Bursky New user West Hollywood, Ca. 78 Posts
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Steve Dela,
Not so many people would die in war if there were no guns? In one Roman army battle over 50,000 people died. That's just one day of fighting. |
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Bursky New user West Hollywood, Ca. 78 Posts
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Nick J.,
There are less than 25 million people in Australia. |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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On 2005-09-08 14:26, irossall wrote: Yeah, I'm with you on that. However, while I don't think it's a law or anything, the city of Bangor has always made public statements that people should wear bright orange when outdoors during hunting season. As one critic put it; "Wear bright orange... *bang*or you're dead!"
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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On 2005-09-09 08:18, inidyls wrote: I don't know where, but a guy stopped a home invasion by firing through his door and killing the guy knocking. Of course, it turned out he was lost and looking for instructions, but there'd been home invasions in this area so the man in the home was perfectly justified in killing the wrong person, wasn't he?
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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On 2005-09-09 11:12, Leland Stone wrote: "Rule Two: No one shall molest the aboes in any way whatsoever... (small voice) if anybody's watching!"
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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On 2005-09-09 18:27, mike paris wrote: Yes, because keys never slip or jam or break in an emergency.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2005-09-10 00:54, mandrake01 wrote: And locks only keep out honest people.
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Big Jeff Loyal user 300 Posts
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One way to keep kids from wanting to play with guns is proper training when they are the right age. Teach them what a gun can do and let them shoot and they will have respect for the gun.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2005-09-03 18:23, Partizan wrote: In the US, the predicate to the right to bear arms (Amendment II to our Constitution) is "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state . . .". People forget this. The right to bear arms was not intended to exist outside a well-regulated militia. Quote:
On 2005-09-03 18:23, Partizan wrote: I'm not sure what this was intended to mean, but I'm quite sure that it's not true. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2005-09-03 15:47, Cliffg37 wrote: It took me a moment to realize that you meant merely that the brother of one of your students had been killed. On the first reading, ". . . one of my students had his brother shot dead . . . ." sounded like a murder-for-hire. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2005-09-10 00:54, mandrake01 wrote: Or get lost. And the bad guy will certainly wait the extra few moments whilst you find the other key and open the other cabinet to retrieve the ammunition (responsible gun owners never store the weapon loaded, nor the weapon and the ammo in the same location, right?) and load your gun. Bad guys are accommodating that way. I'm told. |
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts
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[quote]On 2005-09-10 01:53, S2000magician wrote:
Quote: Actually, the issue of what the Founders intended by the language of the 2nd Amendment is far from being as one-sided as your post would suggest. I recommend this article by libertarian legal scholar Randy Barnett, which examines the "conditional" argument and counters it: http://www.randybarnett.com/pdf/righttob......onal.pdfIn the US, the predicate to the right to bear arms (Amendment II to our Constitution) is "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state . . .". People forget this. The right to bear arms was not intended to exist outside a well-regulated militia.
"The finished card expert considers nothing too trivial that in any way contributes to his success..." Erdnase
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts
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On 2005-09-09 21:46, Bursky wrote: The stats reflect that. They are based on per 100,000 people. 
Posted: Sep 10, 2005 5:03am Quote: On 2005-09-09 11:12, Leland Stone wrote: What? Australians more civilized than Yanks? Aren't they the ones who used to post bounties on the heads of aboriginals, said bounties being collected by persons whose weapons of choice were usually...guns? Indeed...in fact, Australia only gave aboriginals the vote in 1967 and during the 1950s children were taken from their parents in order to "breed out" aboriginal characteristics. If you are interested in more information on the mistreatment of the Aboriginal people in Australia please PM for more. For the record, I NEVER called Australia more civilised or more intelligent then America. I merely pointed out that we currently have far less violent crime per head of capita and we also have strict anti gun legislation. In fact, in a many states you can not carry a KNIFE without a reason! (stabbing people doesn't count). We had a case in 1996 a man killed 35 people with a semi automatic rifle. After that, the laws were made even tighter. http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial/bryant/ has more info. |
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts
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Oh but Nicholas, you must have some theories. Lets hear them. You are aware of the statistics, this is something you have obviously given much thought. So tell us what YOU think. You posed the question, certainly you have some thoughts on the matter. The very fact that you are so very concerned about the state of crime and gun use in America suggests more than just a passing interest, so I am truly interested in your thoughts on the matter. If you are afraid that you are going to offend a large portion of Americans on this site...Or are afraid that your thoughts might even be deleted because they might come out "the wrong way" fear not. I'm sure everyone who cares about theses things would like to hear your unvarnished ideas about this very important issue. You jumped into this fray with two post before I responded to you. The first was posting with some crime statistics comparing Australia to the United States. The second post was the question "Can someone tell me WHY Australia has a low murder rate (by gun or other method) and America has a high murder rate?" Now don't tell me you don't have something you'd like to say. Vandy
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2005-09-10 02:39, Paul Sherman wrote: True enough. I was simply countering the idea that it is a one-sided in the other direction as others suggest. The article is interesting, by the way. |
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Sammy the Kid Veteran user Southern Illinois 314 Posts
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S2000magician,
"The right of the people..." Does that only apply to the protection of the state as it appears elsewhere in the Constitution or is it just in amendment 2? Just a thought, Sammy the Kid |
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