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JordanB Special user dallas, tx 626 Posts |
I'm not sure how important this is for the egg bag routine.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Depends on the egg bag. What are you talking about. How about setting up the guestion before it is asked. I am a magician not a mind reader.
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Riley Special user Swansea UK 955 Posts |
As Bill Says.
Spread your fingers and thumb. The bag ahould cover the span of your hand. This advice was given by the late Ken Brooke (my tutor), and this size bag has been used by almost everyone from Arnold De Biere to Johnny Thompson and Tom Mullica. So . . use a blown egg as per Charlie Miller and the bag depends on the size of your hand. The egg bag is a superb effect - I use it a lot! I recommend the Charlie Miller/Ken Brooke bag - Stevens Magic Emporium! Regards Riley |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Okay... now we know what size the egg bag should be. Trouble is, it doesn't answer the question on the size of the egg.
I have a bag, beautifully made, but have no routine for it at the moment. Therefore I have no guidelines for the size of egg to use. Since most people don't have the resources or need to have a bag custom fit to their hand, what size egg should be used for a "standard" egg bag? Jumbo? Medium? Duck egg? Some helpful information would be appreciated.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Correct me if I'm wrong ...
I think the smaller the better is what is usually suggested. In other words, perhaps a "medium" egg from the grocery store. The egg should go easily into position when you turn the bag inside out. And the egg should appear back in the bag easily as well. A larger egg, it seems, might keep this from happening as desired. If you have spectators on stage with you, no need to try to use a large egg for visiblity The specky's will do the verifying for you just from being present on stage. Now.. if you're trying to make an "egg skin", THAT'S the time to use the duck egg. Not for the eggbag trick. I also think that the blown egg is only for the malini egg bag. I'm not sure about the others. Some of them come with wooden eggs and probably require them for purposes of weight. John Carney has a great egg bag routine on his "Up Close and Far Away" performance only video (one of my favorite pieces of magic media).
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asper Veteran user 364 Posts |
When doing a Malini bag routine, the weight is usually more important. You need a blown eg for those.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
Can the audience see the egg when it is out of the bag and not when it is in the bag, or when you might otherwise want it unseen? That's about all you need to ask. The weight of the egg was not originally asked about, although the parameters for that should be consistent with the mechanics required for the trick to work the way it is supposed to. Even the three bears could have figured that one out (Too heavy, too light, just right!). Now that I am firmly up to my knees in this thread, I'll mention that it reminds me of ants on a recently dropped sucker.
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Steve Oxford Regular user Churchville,MD. 155 Posts |
I posed this question to three people who do the Malini egg bag and here is what they said;
use a bantam hen egg or small eggs found in your grocers fridge. Blow the egg out and rinse the inside well, then close off the holes with spackling One gentleman told me the above as well but added to spray the hollow closed egg with a matte finish clear spray and let dry overnight. S. |
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
Why not using a wooden egg?
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James Stob New user 50 Posts |
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On 2005-09-14 08:44, ROBERT BLAKE wrote: I'm not an expert here, but I think the wooden egg is fine for the Sterling/Tarbell/Mardo type bags. In fact they may be the best. For the Malini bag, most routines require the egg to "float", hence the need for a blown (or similar) egg. |
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Charley Miller used bantam eggs (very small). Small, blown eggs seem to work well for the small (50 people) to medium (200 people) size venue in terms of being seen. They are easy to handle (palm, etc.).
One reason that “blown” eggs are recommended over wooden eggs, for most routines, is that they are not “felt” by the spectator when she/he puts her hand into the bag to find it empty. If your routine does not use a spectator then this is a moot point. Then just go toss a wrinkle into the bag, why use eggs at all? There are routines that use balls (Richard Himber even sold a very small bag, maybe six inches square, without a pocket that used golf balls). I performed a routine that used a net front bag and a lemon for years. The lemon was an old rubber prop and weighed little. There are also small bags that use coins (jumbo coins or dollar size coins or even half dollar size coins).
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Charlie Miller recommended using a very small egg. If you find a real poultry supplier, they can generally furnish very small eggs. Buy several, blow all of them, and throw out the cracked shells.
The main reason to use a blown egg, other than the way they behave in the bag, is that if you use a wooden one, you won't handle it like a real egg.
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
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On 2005-09-14 08:44, ROBERT BLAKE wrote: Well, for one reason, the egg causes the bag to jerk suddenly, when it hits the bottom. It also causes it to flop too quickly, from the excessive weight, giving away its presence. I use a Tarbell bag and I use a practice golfball with it. Texture also matters. I tried a Bazar de Magia Malini egg bag, with the platter egg that it came with. It was simply unusable! I tried a practice golfball with it, but the gaff was too small to accomodate it well. The egg that you use must allow for a smooth handling, considering the size of the gaff. |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Basically what Alan said...
A blown egg is used in the malini bag because it weighs nothing but looks like a reulation egg. When you drop it in the bag, and give the bag a "jerk" it looks JUST like it disappeard. As I said above, check out carney's "up close and far away". the egg looks like it disappears just as it is dropped into the bag. If you do NOT know it's a blown egg you'd be fooled. I was fooled because I (at the time) was only aware of wooden eggs being used in an eggbag routine. due to differences in construction, other egg bags do not require this and a wooden egg is just fine. in carney's video, the egg vanishes once and returns once. that's it. at least 5 minutes of comedy magic with 2 spectators. great stough.
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Riley Special user Swansea UK 955 Posts |
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On 2005-09-13 16:43, Dave VanVranken wrote: I'm not suggesting a custom fit bag. The Malini/Miller/Brooke bag is this size because it is easier to turn inside out as required during the routine. Ken also taught me this: when the egg is removed from the bag - the hand stops moving the moment the egg appears over the mouth of the bag. Move the hand away from the bag and you move the focal point and "kill the entire effect stone dead" (Ken Brooke, 1973). The egg supplied with my outfit was/is known in the UK as size medium Class A (and the shell was WHITE - good visibility - but most eggs seem to be brown shells these days!). For the benefit of UK readers, "spackle" is known here as "Polyfilla" - get it from DIY stores in a tube. Prepare several blown eggs in case of breakage. Not for nothing has the egg bag survived as a classic of magic. I hope the above information is helpful. I've always found the egg bag is NEW to the spectators - a wonderful effect!! Use a duck egg if you must Riley |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
So you're saying...
"don't move the egg away from the bag". Ok. Noted. I believe I have the Ken Brooke routine. I think I'll read more on the eggbag today.
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Riley Special user Swansea UK 955 Posts |
Hi Frank
I remember well the day Ken showed me his routine with the bag. It was, like everything he did, sheer magic. The business of not moving the egg away from the mouth of the bag is good, and Ken always made sure his pupils noted the "small points" that are so important. When I was a schoolboy I called regularly into a department store in Manchester. One day there was a magician performing the egg bag, amongst other effects. He did it badly, flashing the gaff in the bag - and to be honest I had a poor view of the egg bag for a few years after that! When Ken performed the egg bag I hadn't a clue! As far as I could see he was using a simple, small black bag and an egg.... The magic returned!!! Around this time I first heard the name Pete Biro . . and if you're reading this Pete, I should tell you that Ken had a high opinion of you! In the late 70's I used to take a bus to London once a month to Ken Brooke's Magic Place. I guess I learned more in three years or so than any time before or since. Ken was a generous teacher. Did the peas arrive, by the way?? Regards Riley |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
On the subject of the egg. If you are in an area where people even have an inkling that white eggs exist, then use a small white egg. It will show up against the bag much better than a brown egg. The color contrast will make almost any size white egg show up well against the bag.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Hi Riley,
Yes. Thank you. They arrived. Thanks for the tips. Seems like a production of something or other is a key feature of some routines, namely Mullica and hobson. Carney does something a bit different at the end but it is quite good. I'll be working on this today.
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Riley Special user Swansea UK 955 Posts |
Whatever happened to white eggs?? I haven't seen any for a long time!
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