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jimtron Inner circle 2039 Posts |
John:
I did do a Google search, but was unable to find the neurosurgeons who say that nerve endings relate to palm lines. I also haven't been able to find details about the mechanics of palmistry; how do things like attitudes physically manifest themselves in palm lines. Do you know where I could find this info? Do you have an opinion on whether palmistry is a science or supernatural? thanks, Jim |
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John Nesbit Inner circle United States 1421 Posts |
"There is a field of Science called Psychodiagnostic Chirology".
Try this in a search. Or search on Chiromancy. I'm curious too Jim. What are you so "curious" about in magic /mentalism ? John |
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jimtron Inner circle 2039 Posts |
I did try that; but I'll take a closer look at the hits. I understand it's a field of science, but I'm having trouble finding science-related sources that have info on Psychodiagnostic Chirology. If anyone could point me to one, I'd appreciate it.
I'm curious about psychology, religion, things paranormal, science, magic, mentalism, and lots of other stuff. What is it that I'm so curious about? I don't know. Just curious. Why are you curious about my curiosity? Do you have an opinion on whether palmistry is science or supernatural? |
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John Nesbit Inner circle United States 1421 Posts |
Palmistry appears to be a science from the experience and information that I've gathered. But interpretation is often coupled with a systematic approach, and intuition. Do read and study, as I have done. Your own opinion is ultimately as good as anyone's, once you have learned through experiencial knowledge. This applies to all that you have listed above. This is what I have done. You too can do likewise.
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jimtron Inner circle 2039 Posts |
John:
I will read and study. Thanks for your replies. |
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JohnLamberti Elite user Los Angeles, CA 420 Posts |
Hmmm...interesting discussion here.
I am skeptical (well surpriiiiiise, surprise) However, I am willing to be shown evidence that it works. I may sprout many gray hairs waiting for it, but we'll see..... I looked at the website about Chrirology that was listed above and one thing struck me as odd. All of the "readings" were done on the photos of the palms of famous people. It seems to me that it would be easy to do a reading on a person whom you already knew a great deal about, so the validity of that site kind of goes out the window for me. However, we seem to be in the presence of a few folks here who are able to read palms. Well, it just so happens that I have been able to take a palm photo of a fairly well known person who is willing to have his palm read. He's someone I know personally and was able to get his permission to use his hand (I didn't even have to ask his agent...shocking in this town!!) I'll even give you a few clues as to his identity. It is, in fact, a man. He lives in Southern California. His name and face would be recognized by people in the magic world along with laymen as well. He's even adept at a magic trick or two. He's also graciously agreed to have his identity revealed after someone has given him a reading or two. I've attached a thumbnail of his palm, and a link to a larger, more detailed photo. Someone give him a basic reading...he's never had his palm read before, and I've never seen a real palm reading before. This might be fun. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1061368/IMG_2047.jpg Click here to view attached image. |
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kbiehler Regular user 165 Posts |
Jimtron; There have been scientific studies of Palmistry and Palmistry was considered a science in the 1800s and I believe in the early 1900s also. Phreniology was also considered an exact science in the early 1900s. Phreniology has been discredited ( or at least has fallen from favor)since then but Palmistry has been left to Palm readers, not that Phreniology is any less acurate.
Kent |
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ALEXANDRE Inner circle 3024 Posts |
It's very hard to see in that photo, but I can tell you right away that he's cautious in his decisions ... and as far as I can see from this photo, there is definitely one marriage for him.
HERE'S A SECRET ...
http://www.lybrary.com/mystic-alexandre-m-354.html |
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Matt Andrews Loyal user Switzerland 219 Posts |
As the meaning "changes" if you read someone's active hand (normally the right one) or passive hand and the picture shows a left hand, I need to know whether this person is left-handed or right handed.
Sincerely, Matt
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7th_Son Elite user Australia 437 Posts |
The photos do not contain enough detail. Specifically, the finer lines.
The photo also doesn't show the back of the hand.
"Here's to our wives and girlfriends...may they never meet!" - Groucho Marx
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7th_Son Elite user Australia 437 Posts |
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On 2005-09-16 04:01, JohnLamberti wrote: How could he have done differently? Are you suggesting that he should have done palm readings of completely unknown people? If he did that, then how are you going to verify his accuracy? Be skeptical, but please be fair in your criticism.
"Here's to our wives and girlfriends...may they never meet!" - Groucho Marx
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7th_Son Elite user Australia 437 Posts |
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On 2005-09-16 04:01, JohnLamberti wrote: How could he have done differently? Are you suggesting that he should have done palm readings of completely unknown people? If he did that, then how are you going to verify his accuracy? Be skeptical, but please be fair in your criticism.
"Here's to our wives and girlfriends...may they never meet!" - Groucho Marx
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Tony Razzano Inner circle South River, NJ 1600 Posts |
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On 2005-09-15 19:50, jimtron wrote: I don't know, Jimtron. I have always looked at it as mysticism, but I can't rule out science. Should there ever be a scientific study, that would be most interesting. But there never has been. And I mean a valid long term study. One shot deals mean nothing. I can be right 100 times and the one time I am wrong, the skeptics all jump up and yell "See! See!". By the way, for those who are asking for proof, I don't need to prove anything.I am a palmist, numerologist and Tarot reader. I believe in what I do. If you don't , I really don't care. I DO however, respect your opinion. But if you are going to call me a fraud, then the burden of proof is on you. In the US at, at least, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Best regards, Tony Razzano
Best regards,
<BR>Tony Razzano, Past President, PEA Winner of the PEA"s Bascom Jones and Bob Haines Awards |
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David Numen Inner circle 2072 Posts |
I had a few clippings of articles relating to scientific findings which tied in with palmistry - I carried these about when I was doing readings in bars but sadly my bag was stolen from my car and all the cuttings were in it...
Anyway, one thing I do recall was from a documentary I watched recently on female sexuality (my wife watched it and I feigned casual interest ). A scientist on the program announced that finger sizes - specifically the index finger and ring finger - are decided in the womb and relate to the amount of female and male hormones present. Google finger size hormones and you'll find a few interesting sites. The late great Joe Riding had a marvellous system of Hand Analysis based on finger size and hand shape. |
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ALEXANDRE Inner circle 3024 Posts |
You could do an entire interesting reading just on the thumb alone.
HERE'S A SECRET ...
http://www.lybrary.com/mystic-alexandre-m-354.html |
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jimtron Inner circle 2039 Posts |
Could an accurate reading be done by only looking at the hands (both/all sides, in close detail, in person) but not the face of the subject? And without asking the subject any questions? Let's say in this example that it would be stated whether the subject was left or right handed.
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By the way, for those who are asking for proof, I don't need to prove anything.I am a palmist, numerologist and Tarot reader. I believe in what I do. If you don't , I really don't care. I DO however, respect your opinion. But if you are going to call me a fraud, then the burden of proof is on you. Tony: I don't think you were necessarily addressing me in that statement, but for the record I agree that you don't need to prove anything to me, and I certainly haven't called you a fraud. I'm curious to learn more about palmistry; specifically about the science of it which was mentioned by others earlier in this thread. I'm not out to prove or disprove palmistry, but rather to learn about what it is and how it works. Feel free to ignore my numerous questions. |
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JohnLamberti Elite user Los Angeles, CA 420 Posts |
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On 2005-09-16 09:09, 7th_Son wrote: Well, I'd like to give him palm photos of famous people and then ask him to do a reading based on that alone. Heck, a trained ape could do an analysis of Osama Bin Laden if you already know who he is. I'm suggesting that the whole thing MAY be a crock of $#|+@. If he did it for regular people and then posted it, agreed we'd have no way of verifying its accuracy. No argument there. Just one more way of not knowing whether or not it's valid....very frustrating. But it doesn't take a degree in palmistry, chirology, chiromancy, or behavioral psychology to look at a picture of a palm and say "He's a bad guy" if you already KNOW that the palm belongs to someone like Osama bin Freakin' Laden! Do you get what I'm saying? |
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JohnLamberti Elite user Los Angeles, CA 420 Posts |
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On 2005-09-16 08:29, ALEXANDRE wrote: Are you serious? Cautious in his decisions? Which decisions? We make decisions every day, ranging from what cereal to eat for breakfast up to whether or not we're going to get behind the wheel after having a few drinks. Are you talking about every decision? Just the small ones? Just the big ones? "There is only one marriage for him". Well...that's a nice little ambiguous statement, isn't it? Does that mean he's married and will stay married, he's divorced and won't remarry, that he's been married several times, is now engaged, and there will be only one marriage for him AFTER TODAY? See what I'm saying? You can't throw those kind of general statements around to a guy who has a bit of knowledge of mentalism and equivoque and not expect them to get parsed. Specifics, please Also, that's the best I can do on the picture folks...my camera died and I also don't have access to my friend to get another picture for a few days (I'm starting the process of moving later today...I hate moving!) |
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J ack Galloway Inner circle 1309 Posts |
Hey,
John might I have a try at something here. If you would please post the persons birth date and I will do a profile based upon that. Heck I willing willing to play a bit. Jim |
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Tony Razzano Inner circle South River, NJ 1600 Posts |
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On 2005-09-16 12:58, jimtron wrote: Jimtron, To your first question, yes. Just give me the proper hand through a slot in the wall. Or as Richard Webster does, use fingerprint ink to take a hand print of a palm and fingers, but it would have to be both front and back. As far as addressing you in my statement about having to prove something, no, I wasn't addressing you at all. I was addressing all who are always calling for proof. Sorry that it was in the same post. I just try to save time sometimes. Best regards, Tony Razzano
Best regards,
<BR>Tony Razzano, Past President, PEA Winner of the PEA"s Bascom Jones and Bob Haines Awards |
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