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The best part about erlandish's idea is that, in the momentum of the routine, you don't even necessarily need confirmation that some of the cards you call out are actually being thought of by anyone. In the midst of naming the selected cards and the psychologically-likely selections, you could throw in a "Whoever's thinking of the 8 of Diamonds, please stop!" Then move on to the next selection. The audience will take it as a hit, simply because you're hitting with all the other cards (and no one there can reasonably say "none of us were thinking of that card..."), and on the off-chance somebody is thinking of the 8 of Diamonds, you're now a freakin' miracle worker in their eyes.
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I am loving this thread. Really !! Reading it has been like a master class in BCS and related ideas. Thank you all so much.

I tried something the other night that was quite effective, and really fun. After the cards had been selected, shuffled and distributed and I had my key, I picked up my dry-erase board and started sketching. ' I'm seeing something red, definitely RED.' Picked up a red pen. "No wait, I'm getting a stronger black impression." Switched to black pen. "No definitely red" Did a quick sketch, turned it over and it was two bicyclists. "Sorry, I think that was the back." Got a good laugh, then started sketching cards ... quickly .... jumping between black and red pens ... played it like it was automatic writing. like I couldn't write fast enough with all the impressions coming at me.

Would like to keep working on this routine. I think it has some merit. Thoughts??

Thanks,

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One of the best effects of all time IMO.....what a gem RO decided to share with us....
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Also take note of Richard's subtlety of cutting the deck a few times in what looks like an overhand shuffle while he's talking. Works fine for me, I don't even bother with the riffle.

If you're just starting out with the BCS, consider using the Earle & Becker Demon Deck cards; they have a marking system that also includes every card's BCS neighbour. You can get some really subtle glimpses using the Demon Deck.
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KiKi,
Excellent presentation that led to an excellent thread. Malchat mentions the subtlety of apparently shuffling the deck but it is actually a series of cuts. I never fail to do this whenever I do any effect with a s* st***** stack. It is very convincing. I would do your presentation with the same stack.
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I like the ideas this is stirring up. I would like to present another way of going about it. Kind of going in a different direction in terms of the revelation of the cards but I think it will solve all the concerns and take the best of all the ideas.

I don't want to just give it away on here, but read my effect in PS2 (hoy/karm redux) and I believe it works even better with this BCS presentation than with the colors! People won't remember what order the cards are named in like they would remember colors. And it's MUCH more impressive because of how many possible cards there are as opposed to colors. And you need no outs. Takes care of all the concerns of the original hoy/karm redux effect.

The only drawback is you can't say what someone "almost" thought of. But if you think really hard I think there's another angle you can go with that which offers some really cool possibilities.

Check it out! (I think I'm going to use it, and it actually solves a little dilemma I was having in my act) Thanks Kiki! Smile
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On 2006-12-21 20:26, erlandish wrote:
I wonder, would this work? One thing that could be fun (but also add to the chaos) is to encourage people who didn't get a card to try to throw you off by thinking of other cards. If, for instance, you knew that nobody had taken an often-thought-of card (like the Queen of Spades, etc.), but you have other people thinking of other cards to throw you off, in the middle of some successfully identified cards, you could say "Who's thinking of the queen of spades?" Some people would answer in the affirmative. "Stop trying to throw me off!" And then you go back to naming some of the other cards that people actually did take.


There is a routine in an upcoming booklet I had the priviledge to read that does exactly what you say without any need on your part to encourage people who didn't get a card to try to throw you off by thinking of other cards. Is a routine in which you guess one by one real playing cards as well as playing card only thought of by members of your audience:

The routine is not based on any stacked deck but I see how you could use any stacked deck [even Si-Stebbins or BCS] for the first part
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So I'm sitting in a Café in San Francisco, reading the BCS pamphlet this afternoon, working through the deck, trying to speed up my card-calling. A guy at the next table sees me with a deck of cards. Asks me what I'm doing. I stash the pamphlet and tell him that I'm learning a new game of solitaire .... (I'm so lonely)

We start talking. I talk about how I've got this thing about guessing cards. And how I've done it since I was a kid. I tell him I'd like to try an experiment. Tell him to cut the cards as many times as he wants to.

He does.

(a small crowd is building)

tell him to take the top card w/o looking at it and put it in his right pocket. (he does)

tell him to take the next card and put it in his left pocket (he does)

I take the deck, put it in the box and hand it to someone else for safekeeping.

Tell him I'm getting two strong impressions. Ask him which card he'd like to find in his right pocket.

I call it...he finds it .... Ask the woman next to him to tell him what the card is in his left pocket. She looks at me like I'm nuts.

Well, I AM, but that's another story. I say, "OK. I'll give you three options. I call his card and two others. figure, what have I got to lose? She calls the right one.

He pulls it out of his pocket.

He literally choked on his Double Decaf Cap....

I had just read this basic routine in RO's pamphlet. Just tweaked it a tiny bit...THAT'S how strong this stuff is. It really is nothing short of amazing that he chose to share this. What a freakin' GIFT.

As is this thread.

Thanks again.

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Oh forgot,

Thanks, Malchat for the overhand shuffle info. I prefer not to use the riffle if I can help it and some fast overhand cuts really takes care of business.
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There is also an ultra convincing and casual overhand (false) shuffle taught on Vernon's Revelations, can't remember which volume. When you see it, you will probably think (as I did) that there is no way the full deck is still in order but it IS!

It's demonstrated by Steve Freeman. Not hard to do and the MOST convincing false shuffle I have personally ever seen. Part of the beauty of it is that it looks exactly like how anyone would mix up a deck with a simple overhand shuffle, not some kind of a fancy or special move. Much better for a mentalist!

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Yes,Matthew and bronx,overhand shuffles usually are adequate.I also use a slower form of an overhand shuffle..where it appears that I am weaving the right hand[top] pack into the left hand[bottom] pack[assuming you are right handed]wiggling the right hand pack back and forth as if forcing it into the lower half.Try it it looks quite convincing.[never looking at my hands of course]
The bottom card of the top half is merely rubbing across the top card of the bottom half.There probably is a name for this false shuffle,but not being a card man I am unaware of it. Smile

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Oh MAN. Does that ever look convincing. Just tried it in front of the mirror. Very pretty. THANKS.

I also have been working with an overhand shuffle that involves removing the lower half of the deck. As the remainder of the deck is rocked back and forth in the left hand the right hand appears to drop cards on the top (but doesn't), then drops cards on the bottom. I believe it is called the FALSE CHOP SHUFFLE. And it can be found on a Simon Lovell DVD called, 'Gambling Moves with Cards" distributed by Magic Makers.

There are a ton of other false shuffles on there as well, including a variation on the one you're talking about.

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Erlandish and Mariagi I think your ideas are fantastic. thanks for sharing some great handling tips
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On 2007-02-21 00:25, Al Straker wrote:
There is also an ultra convincing and casual overhand (false) shuffle taught on Vernon's Revelations, can't remember which volume. When you see it, you will probably think (as I did) that there is no way the full deck is still in order but it IS!


It's on Volume 13 - a beautiful sleight.
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*Bumb* Great Thread!
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Your not wrong, I'm going back to the front... Great ideas guys... I want some!!!
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Yes,this was a great thread.

Just in case it wasn't mentioned here...another easy and deceptive false shuffle is Dan Garrett's 'Underhanded Overhand Shuffle'.So easy it can be done while looking them in the eye while talking.

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On 2007-02-21 00:30, PaleoMagi wrote:
Yes,Matthew and bronx,overhand shuffles usually are adequate.I also use a slower form of an overhand shuffle..where it appears that I am weaving the right hand[top] pack into the left hand[bottom] pack[assuming you are right handed]wiggling the right hand pack back and forth as if forcing it into the lower half.Try it it looks quite convincing.[never looking at my hands of course]
The bottom card of the top half is merely rubbing across the top card of the bottom half.There probably is a name for this false shuffle,but not being a card man I am unaware of it. Smile

Best.
Rich


Rudy Hunter has a DVD of this very shuffle, called "The Hunter Shuffle". I don't know if it originated with him or not, but it's a great tutorial.
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I believe that what Rudy calls The Hunter Shuffle was taught to him by Willis Kenney, now deceased. Willis (and Rudy) lived in Toronto and both were friends of mine. While he loved Magic and performed a wonderful cups and balls routine, Willis's forte was Gambling sleights. He gambled for years in real world, rough and tough situations, and knew what he was talking about.

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Thanks Gabelson..I new it had to have a name.

One thing I forgot to mention.Often while strolling,I have a guest cut and complete the cut.I have several guests remove a card from the top and keeping them from view.

I immediately begin an unrelated non card routine stating we will get back to your cards shortly.I replace the deck in the box.

Returning to the revelations after a time lapse seems even more impossible than just doing it immediately.

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