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bunglebear New user 52 Posts |
Hi all. I've recently started to read about hypnosis and am really interested in it. However, I'm not prepared to try it until I know the full potential damage it can cause! So please accept my apologies if this seems like a basic question, but like I said I'm just starting out in this.
How can a hypnotist change something in the persons mind permanently? If someone is under and you say to them 'chocolate tastes like mud' then wake them and give them chocolate, yes they'll dislike chocolate. But then if you don't ever tell them the truth when under, will they continue to believe that? I've been wondering this since I heard a relative was told that they no longer need to smoke. Does the hypnotist get them under and tell them that, then wake them? Thanks for your advice and patience, BBear |
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KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
In my very limited experience. (I mean very limited) I developed a set of 5 tests that expolered different areas.
The test that relates here involved post suggestion. Subjects were "given" a small peice of paper with nothing on it but a large red dot. they were instructed to 'place' the paper in their pocket. IF at any time in the future that they felt their hypnosis session was not providing needed results, they would then discover the paper and report it immediatly, in person or by telephone. They were also instructed that this was a 'backup' to the session and they would probably never need it. Of 4 valid subjects all properly reported finding a paper with the red dot within 90-120 days yet not knowing what it was for. This test was reran with the same subjects with different colored paper and different colored dots. regardless, a six month span wasthe longest and all reported finding the dots. Since there is nothing for me to compare with, I was left with the assumption the effects wore off due to my skill level and for no other reasons. Based on what I observed firsthand, I can only assume that permanant changes may not be possible with my particular skill level being so low, and I would need quarterly maintenance sessions with the subjects for ongoing results. This may be the same thing for other newbies to expect, but maby some old timers can give better info based on experience that I just don't have. I would very much like to hear the results if others try this sort of test.
...think not that all wisdom is in your school. You may have studied other paths,but, it is important to remember that no matter who you are or where you come from, there is always more to learn.
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kyle_freemason Elite user 409 Posts |
I do not know about the permanate effects, however, I do not think that hypnosis is something that would permanately modify someone who is not willing to be modified in thought.
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delbmarcs New user 67 Posts |
Definitely digging your thinking.
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On 2005-09-20 09:22, KingStardog wrote: Were you anchoring unique action responses to each color variation? If so, would you be kind enough to elaborate on some more of your method? please & thank you, ahead of time
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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
Hypnosis is a term that can be linked with many theraputic techniques. And those techniques can create permanent change and with incredible speed to. Many things can make permanent or longterm change in someone's mind. Its called learning! We learn to have certain problems as we go along in life. Hypnosis can help us unlearn those problems and learn more appropriate ways of working..
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bunglebear New user 52 Posts |
So if someone does stop smoking through hypnosis, for example saying they no longer like the taste, will this be expected to last forever? Or can this wear off?
Thanks, BBear |
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
No change is permanent. Change is part of the human condition. It may be one of the only things we can count on consistently.
Suggestions administered during hypnosis (or otherwise) may wear off or may not have an effect at all. However, the opposite is true as well. It might be useful to think about hypnotic change as changing your opinion about a certain type of food. Maybe you love a certain kind of food. You stock your house with it. Then, you slowly begin to lose the taste for it. This might happen over several weeks, but it happens. After that, your house is no longer stocked with it; you might even avoid it at the supermarket. Then, it's out of your life. |
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Brian Turntime Special user 671 Posts |
So "Office Space" wasn't too far off the mark?
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KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
Were you anchoring unique action responses to each color variation? If so, would you be kind enough to elaborate on some more of your method?
No, the tests were only to see if there was carry over from the previous session. Should one return the first color instead of the second..... I have two new subjects that I will start with this weekend. Walt Donahue in Boston uses a positive message. You will eat less and be more satisfied, instead of bad foods taste bad. In his book he also recommends teaching the subjects self hypnosis while you have them under in a traditional trance, so they may perform it themselves nightly. I didn't get much else from it but those two things seemed like gems. I will be trying both, but don't figure I will report back again on it till a few months have gone by. I would like to hear of testing others have done and various success rates.
...think not that all wisdom is in your school. You may have studied other paths,but, it is important to remember that no matter who you are or where you come from, there is always more to learn.
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Pasq Elite user Lance Rench-Hausen. 417 Posts |
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On 2005-09-21 13:01, procyonrising wrote: I've seen adverts in York & Leeds recently that advertise - "Stop Smoking in 1 Hour" with an NLP practitioner. The price is in the region of £300 I reckon. The advert says 95% success rate & free extra session if it doesn't work. Is this worth my money? & if I had it done, what would my "attitude" be to cigs after the hour? Pasq.
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
This completely worked with a friend of mine who had tried to stop many times
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Pasq Elite user Lance Rench-Hausen. 417 Posts |
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On 2005-09-23 10:51, bevbevvybev wrote: Wow! Any idea how much he paid? & has he tried smoking since to see what his reaction is? P.
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
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On 2005-09-23 10:46, Pasq wrote: 300 quid is not worth it. I used to run a successful hypnosis seminar business in the US. We did programs similar to the one you mention. The first hour was free, the hypnotic conditioning following the seminar cost $40. There was plenty of money made. The "success rate" they mention is fake. To measure success rate, they would have to actively follow their participants for at least a few weeks after the program. I doubt that any of the people doing these seminars have the time, resources, or (especially!) the expertise to do a good follow-up that measures "success" accurately. Moreover, there is usually a guarantee offered, which nullifies the effectiveness (for a business) to measure "success." Even Bob Otto, a guy who was so successful at these types of seminars he bought a plane and tour bus (and nearly a helicopter too) to keep up with his tour schedule, never measured success rates--it was totally unnecessary with his guarantee (and even if he did, he knew it would be ineffective; too many variables involved). But are these programs effective? Yes and no. Overall, hypnosis' effectiveness in helping people quit smoking is about 35% (which changes a bit every now and then). However, when you advertise hypnosis services, I believe, you attract a skewed population--a population that is very willing and almost WANTS hypnosis to work (unlike lab study, which takes a more general population). Thus, hypnotists often feel their effectiveness is more potent than written about in scientific journals. And it's probably true. But 95%? Nope. There's just too much involved to claim that. Let me put it this way: If you could get 60%, and you were careful about the testing and methodology, and you had the results published in some peer-reviewed journal, you'd make the evening news. 60% is that spectacular. 300 quid is not worth it. $40 (25 or 30 quid), I feel, is probably worth it. (And not because I used to charge that, but because of the amount of work and number of people involved. Bob used to tell me about the 3000+ people he saw in Vegas during his weekends there. $40 per person. You do the math.) Best, James. |
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
Addendum:
On one-on-one sessions... 300 quid is still not worth it. And I'm just going to talk about the practitioner's side here. Smokers, as a population, are generally not college graduates, nor do they tend to earn as much as non-smokers (speaking only in terms of demography here; of course, there are exceptions). So, in general, a good smoking cessation program should be cheap, easy to understand and offer value to the patient. To charge that much would limit so much to the practitioner. Now, talking as a trainer of NLP... C'mon. This is ten minutes of work. C'mon. Best, James. |
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Pasq Elite user Lance Rench-Hausen. 417 Posts |
Procyonrising,
Your first post depressed me so much I just ate a whole jar of mayonnaisse. Your second post called me stupid. I hope I fall in your "exeption" category - (I am a graguate & doing a masters'). I'm just goofin' around! But your last sentence - "Now, talking as a trainer of NLP... C'mon. This is ten minutes of work. C'mon." - don't follow! I was talking STRICTLY about NLP in the beginning. No matter what the money involved is. Is all the banter about stopping smoking with NLP & never wanting to do it again real? & How does it work? - Is it all about anchoring my association of cigs with something gross? ? ?
Sparrow in a barrow.
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Pasq Elite user Lance Rench-Hausen. 417 Posts |
Actually, anyone with an real info or true stories on stopping smoking with NLP or hypnosis do please PM me. Cos, my partner (she's a woman, I'm not gay) would be really pleased with me if I gave up & I'll have to when we have kids. Ahem. Plus, I wake up most mornings & my lungs feel really really really ... not good.
I'm smoking 4 right now. Pasq.
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
Pasq,
Did not intend to call you stupid. I tried to emphasize that it was a generalization about the population--something that applies overall, but not to individuals. Apologies. I myself quit smoking with self-hypnosis. Best, James. |
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Pasq Elite user Lance Rench-Hausen. 417 Posts |
It's ok, I understood the generalisation. In America, I understand, smoking is treated with the same ruthless fervour which was reserved for m*********** in the nineteenth century.
Thanks for the info. P.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I charge £145 (thats about 45 thousand US dollars I think)for one session only. I can honestly sat that to the best of my knowledge no one has ever started cigs again. I also have quite a few colleagues who say the same.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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kcalB Special user Took me 16 years to make 999 Posts |
I concur with Bobser, although my fee is not so high.
I'm in the U.S. and my referral clients happily pay $250.00 for a 75 minute session which comes with a one year guarantee because my method gets good results in one session as witnessed by the referrals. A low fee is a noble gesture but it is akin to attending a free stop smoking seminar. And it does not get good or lasting results. Let me explain, Let’s say the client has stopped smoking for 3 months and then one night goes out to belt down a few and is tempted to have a smoke: They will have the false mindset that they are strong enough to handle just one with the subconscious thought that if they fail and get hooked again that they can just go back for a cheapo or free stop smoking clinic and stop smoking again. After all it worked the first time! Ask any Hypnotherapist and they will tell you that most people who fail do so after a few drinks. This is a great thread and they still wont give us a special Hypnotist forum so does anyone know where there is a good one.
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