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Craig Peterson New user Utah 89 Posts |
There are advantages to Stainless Steel cups that I can see. For instance, they don't oxidize nearly so quickly as copper or brass, but I am wondering if they are really as good for working. Steel isn't quite as dense, so you will end up with a lighter cup, and I am not sure it looks as classy. Any experience or thoughts?
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BSutter Special user Sitting on a pile of 582 Posts |
You are correct when you state that steel is not as dense as copper or brass. However it is more dense than aluminum, another popular material for cups. The modulus of elasticity for steel is higher than either copper or brass, this means that for a given thickness the steel will resist deformation better than copper, brass or aluminum. In the cases of copper and brass this resistance to bending (deforming) can be altered by alloying, my Sherwood Copper and Brass cups are a very hard alloy. In the end it becomes a subjective issue. What do you want from your cups? Nice patina? Go with copper. Looks like gold? Go with brass. Stays new looking forever? Go with stainless.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts |
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On 2005-09-30 13:50, cjp24 wrote: Yes, much lighter (if they're spun) - and the main drawback in my very humble opinion. Spun cups are probably not as classy-looking as a lovely set of copper cups with a deep patina, either. The exception to these minor gripes are Auke Van Dokkum's CNC machined cups which are heavy and very good looking. Richard
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler
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Gary Dayton Special user New Jersey 542 Posts |
I have an old (35 years old) set of aluminum cups that have oxidized. Can we still expect that from aluminum, or are there ways to prevent this? (I am thinking of some of the highest quality cup makers who make cups in copper, silver, stainless steel, brass, bronze, and aluminum). These days, does aluminum hold up as well as the 'higher quality' metals?
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BSutter Special user Sitting on a pile of 582 Posts |
Aluminum will oxidize unless coated. The most popular coating for aluminum today is anodizing. Anodize can be clear or colored, one current example of an anodized cup is the Black Beauty Combo cup by RnT2.
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Gary Dayton Special user New Jersey 542 Posts |
Thanks for the info, Bill. My knowledge of metals is pretty poor, and I was thinking it best to avoid aluminum, but now know better. The old aluminum cups I referred to were my first set, given by my father as a Christmas gift. They were just a standard set of cups with little intrinsic value, and certainly too beat to use now. But no matter, they still hold a lot of sentimental value for me.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
You can polish aluminum with Simichrome polish. It has a wax component that will protect the aluminum from oxidizing.
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
I have never had stainless cups, but I do have a stainless steel bathroom counter and it scratches like crazy. People who order stainless counters are advised that there will inevitably be extensive scratching and they should not order unless they like this sort of effect.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
A lot of its scratchability depends on what alloy of stainless you have. There are many alloys. Some are non-magnetic. Some are slightly magnetic. Some are very hard. Some are softer.
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cataquet Veteran user England 363 Posts |
As someone who uses a VanDokum stainless steel chop cup, I love the look and weight. By construction, all CNC cups are heavier than their spun versions.
The mirror finish on the cups may put off a few people, because the light really does bounce off it. But as for durability, I've had my cup for about 3 years, and there's not a scratch on it. But then again, I keep the cup in a bag when it's not in use. So, it's not thrown in the closeup bag with other objects that might scratch it, at which point, it might start to scratch. So, if you were to give me the choice between a copper, brass, aluminum or steel cup, I would still stick with the steel CNC chop cup. Now it's just a matter of saving up for the solid cup.
Harold Cataquet
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I was thinking about getting a solid cup as a kicker for the monster cups, but it would weigh about 35 pounds. Picking it up one-handed would be very difficult.
Lapping it would be hazardous to one's health.
"The Swatter"
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts |
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On 2005-10-04 18:49, Bill Palmer wrote: :lol: Ah, but what a routine! That would be definitive kicker ending to the cups & balls! Exit stage right, with ice pack. Richard
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
And just imagine what would happen if you dropped it on your toe.
I'll bet you would use one of those "medical terms" Buddy Hackett used to mention in his Las Vegas act.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
ChristianR Veteran user 356 Posts |
Why not hollow with a bottom sheet?
Tarbell!
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
Because they wouldn't have the weight required nor the seamless bottom...
The cups BEG to be examined when finishing with a solid kicker... |
Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
Better use a stainless steel close-up table with strong legs when you want to bang a 35 pound solid cup on it.
I must admit that I've used vanDokkum cups for about 3 years intensively. Not a scratch on the surface. A few tiny dents in the rim, but you can only feel them, not see them. Auke used to play football with them at dealershows...
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I have to admit that Auke's cups are very special.
Dan, did he tell you about visiting the "museum?"
"The Swatter"
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ChristianR Veteran user 356 Posts |
Okay, sorry wasn't thinking straight. Hmm... 35 pound kicker cup still sounds like a neatO idea.
Tarbell!
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