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Al Schneider V.I.P. A corn field in WI surrounded by 1080 Posts |
The pdf are available on CD via mail at my web site.
They are designed along the way I taught this material in class. I have asked people to let me know what they experience but have not had any real feedback. I would like to know so I can change them if necessary. They require intense work. Mastering the material requires a lot of repitition. That is where the skill develops. Thanks for asking. Al
Magic Al. Say it fast and it is magical.
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
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On 2005-10-05 22:27, Jonathan Townsend wrote: My ears are burning somebody must be talking about me. Not on the right path at all JT. Yes what you are doing will improve your magic but it is not what Mr. Schneider is talking about, or Mr. Silver for that matter. If you are hoping the audience will believe they know what your intentions are then you have missed the point entirely. If you want to truly get it, get out of the theater as what you seek is not that man behind the curtain. Intention is by and of itself a thing. If it were made of stronger stuff than thought it would sit on your desk like a large blob. It is not a belief, not a hope, not pretending, acting as if, willing yourself to believe, willing another, praying, creating or enforcing. Those things may be of value but they are not intention. Like a mirage it exists and can be clearly seen, experienced and even photographed by another. Case in point: Al asked me to help him shoot a DVD he was going to be using as a convention special. In one sequence he shows the coin tosses it into his other hand and moments later it vanishes. The Schneider Basic Vanish. What you SEE on the tape is the coin falling directly into his waiting hand. This is impossible since he knows he doesn't really throw the coin and I know it, but we SEE it. We looked at tht same portion of the DVD several times and the coin is clearly photographed falling into his hand. How can this be? It is because we see the intention of the reality of that coin fall into the hand. Intention is a thing not an idea or concept. Like a mirage it is photographed behaving as expected. Others watch that section and they also see it. It is because he din't pretend to put something in his hand, or act as if, or will you to see it or persistence of vision, suspension of disbelief or any other such nonsense. You see something go in the hand because SOMETHING does go in the hand - the intention of reality (of that coin) goes in the hand. This is a hard concept to wrap one's mind around since it goes against conventional wisdom. Never-the-less once you do get the concept you can apply it to all levels of magic. Since this is wordy enough I won't go on to intention of magic. I will leave that for you to ponder later on, once intention is fully grasped. But please get out of the theater - nothing there is real, making it a pretty foolish place to look for intention of reality. My hat is off to Mickey. He discovered this indpendently, not even knowing what name to call it. Watch him and you will see it demonstrated in real time right before your eyes. If you are hoping to find some fancy, secret move to explain what it is he does - you missed it. It is not the coin being manipulated, it is your mind. Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Intention as something that shows up on video... impressive idea. The idea that one can by extension leave an intention in a room and come back to it is also just one step away from suggesting that ghosts and similar psychic phenomenon are real and likewise detectable. The makings for some good stories are there. And also some good experiments. I'm open to new ideas.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2005-10-05 21:17, Al Schneider wrote: That's how you can tell they're using it. |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I wonder about the inverse to JT's post if it is all too often overlooked:
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people care about the characters in a theatrical performance because they relate to the characters People don't care about magic becuase they cannot relate to the Magician. Regarding this thread, it sounds very interesting. I need to learn more. Al, if I am to understand this... Quote:
If you can show the audience your intention they will translate it into reality. What printed material, specifically, is it that you're saying I should study?
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Al Schneider V.I.P. A corn field in WI surrounded by 1080 Posts |
Dear Mr. Frank Starsini
I am not sure what to refer you to. The concept is mine. However, I believe it is universal and has been discovered by others and will be discovered by others. Perhaps it is something that must be discovered and not gotten from another. I have presented it in several articles over the years. I believe it is presented in the article coming up in Genii. It is presented in many of the pdfs I have for sale on my site. In several of these books I have included a section on Intention of Reality extra for I believe it is so important. I once gave weekend seminars in which the first part was an attempt to teach the students this. At one time I taught a class in Minneapolis. The class was held every Monday night. The first thing taught was the Schneider Basic Vanish or just the Schneider Vanish. This technique was developed in this class. Perhaps I should consider some other form of presentation of the concept. I sense a frustration that getting the material is difficult. Please sense a frustration that I have tried to give this to others and feel a sense of failure. If you wish to see a demonstration of Intention of Relaity the Coins Across on the DVD that L and L sent out with the recent Genii is a good example. In that routine I do the pop up move twice. When that clip was made and I got a copy, I watched that move over and over. I cannot see any flaw in it. I have sat beside other magicians and watched the sequence. I cannot believe my eyes as I watch my own hands. Now to others about theater. I wish you guys would get off this. I have taken a few acting classes. All I see is some guy claiming that he is letting his true self emerge. Then he talks in a stilted way. Whenever I hear theater types talk theater I hear very unreal verbal affectations. Then when I listen to what they say, they say that everything is theater. Salesmen act, my physics professors are actually applying theatricical techniques to communicate quantum mechanics effectively, when a guy hustles a chick in a bar he is applying theater. To you types, everything is theater. Even when we don't talk it is theater. In about half the lectures I give, some guy comes up to me and tells me what I am doing is theater and he has some special words for it. Mimes do the same. I must correct all of you. The universe actually consists of magic. That is all there is. Al Schneider
Magic Al. Say it fast and it is magical.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I can't say I enjoy being told that I am "wrong".
As an adult I can enjoy replacing an idea or method that is "less useful" with one that is more useful. Such is part of the magic I find in science. Even if it takes years to fully integrate an idea, the FEELING of a paradigm shift is pleasant to me. Simply tell me that I am wrong, and I will be less than pleased. Show me how to do better and I will be appreciative.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Hey nobody is right or wrong
This post is getting so DEEP IN B--- C--- and has nothing to do with the topic.... should we contact the ZEN master to hear his views....??????????/ lets give it a break and get back on course |
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Tom Wolf Special user Harrison, Ohio 580 Posts |
For those who are interested, in Al's version of "matrix", published first in 1974, you can read some of his teachings and learn at the same time a brlliant way to do the "matix".
Go forth and amaze. Tom Wolf
The magic director and performer at the Rincon Gaucho supper club in Mexico City,
We opened the first and only close-up room for magic in Mexico with Wolf Ruvinskis. have several new coin vanishes and routines to share shortly just as soon as I can find someone to film them for me. Now living in Harrison, Ohio |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Jon, I was wondering how you were taking all this, direct statements from other deep thinkers that you didn't have a clue. That doesn't get said much on this forum to you and I bet a lot of people didn't think it was possible. What's most important though is your handling of it. Tougas or Schneider didn't bite their tongues in telling you all of what you didn't know, stuff you weren't even in the ballpark on, but you handled it nicely, maturely - Good show! This is all so interesting because clearly no one here is where this is really at, except those very few that are there, Mickey Silver being at least one of them. This might be even beyond the land of the established giants here...I'm sure that it is whether we like it or not...Like I once said here, "Another level(s)."
So, when I ask in regards to Mickey Silver, "Just how does this (he) happen?"...No wonder no one here could really answer. Truthfully, and more clearly now, they just did not know. And we now know that all those that tried to fit him within the bit of knowledge and expertise they have, really didn't have a clue (Jon, you might have to re-think just how novel those sleights(?) are...). I suspect you won't hear much from them (naysayers, skeptics, cynics, etc.) within the depths of this topic as it is evolving, and really so are we. Interesting.
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
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On 2005-10-05 18:34, Al Schneider wrote: I have often thought about Bruce Lee as it relates to mastering all sorts of things. What Mr Schneider is talking about above reminds me of this quote; "When the opponent expand, I contract, When he contracts, I expand, And when there is an opportunity, I do not hit--it hits all by itself." I guess I'm a long way from being able to let it "Hit all by itself" or "being water, my friend" but that's the goal for me. Not to prcatice until I can do something without thinking about it. But getting to some level where it actually (magically?) happens, perhaps in spite of myself. Please report and remove this post if I have missed the point entirely.
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
It's okay folks. When I ask those who do, they show me. When I ask them how they do, they say they just do. It is very difficult to know, to do and also to be, much less communicate a thing at the same time.
I recently demonstrated a coin transit (can be done with a small ball easily too) that works by intention alone. You hold the coin, point to where it will appear, and then it is there. My goal was to see how large a thing "attention" is and how it moves. The working hypothesis for that trick was that the forward flow of intention can move in such a way that the place where stuff was becomes outside the focus of attention and the audience goes forward with the action. I guess that's kind of like momentum. In this case, if the performer continues to act toward goals with the appeared item, the audience does not seem so likely to backtrack looking for method. I am okay with discussing how one can project intention to the audience as an act of will. The idea that a thing made of my actions and the thoughts of the audience can be objectively recorded and measured is new to me.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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evanmartin New user 16 Posts |
I have a few questions that, if someone could help answer, I think I *might* be able to *Begin* to understand some of the conversations on this thread.
First - for Mickey - regarding your "Speed of Silver," you posted here and said you could walk up to a person, put out your empty hand, and produce a coin. (My question really is about that - but I have to digress for just a bit to explain the context of my question) ... Then conversation on this thread seemed to lead in a direction suggesting that this was made possible by "suggestion" or "intention" (which I'm understanding as meaning: "placing the suggestion of an act-to-come in the mind of the viewer")... So, Mickey, in your demo, you do many variations on the illusive coin vanish. On one variation of the vanish I assumed that you stole the coin the first time - you didn't. Then you showed me that it was still there - and stole it that time. The next variation you stole it the first time, leaving me to think that you hadn't taken it yet - and from that point onward, I knew unconsciously that I couldn't predict anything and that I was onboard for a wild ride. I think, in part, it was the combination of all those contrasting, contradicting, and confounding moves that increased the sense of Real Magic for me. But I've been thinking about your description of the Speed of Silver, and wondering if that illusion could be performed as the very first thing you did for a stranger (say, someone on the street who you might approach, put out your empty hand and produce the coin) - - or, would you need to do "other" moves as an introduction - and as a way of "teaching the viewer" your intention before actually doing the "Speed of Silver"? Second - for Jon (as well as others here) - I'm really interested in understanding more of what you've been talking about, i.e. - intention, and forcing yourself to take the coin/ball without actually getting it and the transit you most recently mentioned. Do you have any visual examples, video, illustrations, or more detailed descriptions? (I'm feeling like Fox Mulder here - I want to believe - but I just can't visualize clearly enough yet.) Thanks folks! Evan |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2005-10-06 14:09, evanmartin wrote:...for Jon (as well as others here) - I'm really interested in understanding more of what you've been talking about. ie - intention, and forcing yourself to take the coin/ball without actually getting it and the transit you most recently mentioned. do you have any visual examples, video, illustrations, or more detailed descriptions? (i'm feeling like Fox Mulder here - I want to believe - but I just can't visualize clearly enough yet.) Mickey mentioned showing his new item at a convention he will be attending. What folks are curious about is what distinguishes this from other works offering similar effect. Some of my work has become incorporated into the popular literature. What I've been addressing is just the basic "method" that drives the first coin transit folks know from my coins across. Essentially explaining why folks don't see or really even feel the visual presence of four coins while there are supposed to be only three. The idea can be applied to a transit of a coin from hand to table, and right into a chop cup routine. It's a principle. I've written a short article for publication and it includes the one coin jump and the "exercise" that seems to help folks understand or learn what it is they are "intending" to do. One coin guy in NYC got the thing working from what I wrote, so I feel comfortable that the idea will be more accessible after it hits print. Also more polite to discuss variations of a thing after the inventor puts it into print. I've seen some of Mickey's work and what I've seen looks very good. I compared some parts to a d-lite routine. That's pretty darned impressive, especially since he's using silver dollars and sleight of hand.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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