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Gotama Veteran user 381 Posts |
I will add my two cents about the Bruce Lee aspect. At Ed Parker's 1964 Long Beach Invitational Tournament, Parker introduced a young Chinese martial artist by the name of Bruce Lee. Although Lee did not partake in the competition, he did demostrat his one inch and three inch puches. You had to be there to see it. The power all comes through the hips - it was beautiful. Also present at this tournament was a young black belt that won the fighting (kumite) championship. He went on to win something like the next six or seven years in a row. This fighter, famous for his ax kick, was Chuck Norris.
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
Bruce Lee's 2 inch punch comes from wing chun. There are many different methods.
Bruce was a little guy so he actually used a push punch, that's why the person flew back. It looks more dramatic. The more effective method uses a quicker withdrawl after the punch, so the power goes inside the person. I'm talking physics and energy transfer not chi and internal martial arts. Bruce Lee was a technician. If you read his book "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do" you will see the man was far ahead of his time. Derren Brown uses trickery. I'd bet my lower members on that. James
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freeflyphil New user phil 79 Posts |
The one inch punch is obviously a different effect than the PK punch that Derren performs.The question is,do the likes of Chris Crudeli perfrom the same effect as Derren's Pk punch? are they using deception/suggestion whilst perhaps imaging to themseles they are using chi?
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RickDangerous Special user I can't believe I made 974 Posts |
I recently saw a funny clip of a show where the perfromer did a non-contact punch but instead of hitting the plexus, he "hit" the b*lls of the spectator. OUCH
btw.: check for Erle Montaigue and Fa-Jing.
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Malchat Special user The Kingdom of Croiset and Wonder 885 Posts |
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On 2007-01-04 03:57, freeflyphil wrote: From what I've seen and experienced: yes, they are. This is perfectly fine when you're doing demonstrations to build confidence in your students and have a little fun with your practice sessions. However as a martial artist, I'm concerned with the number of people who teach this stuff as as viable, real world self-defense skills. It's like learning to play golf by focusing solely on the inner game and never whacking a ball across the fairway.
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
Just reading this thread after doing a little browsing and I do both tai Chi and Wing Chun, Xiqual is very much on the ball about Bruce Lee's one inch punch, my guess is that Xiqual probably does Wing Chun himself?
I do seem to remember chatting with you James when I bought a couple of books off you a couple of years ago and I think you mentioned that you do martial arts... I have been using a P K Punch routing for a while now, on and off, it is not something I perform at every performance and (at least the method I use) is surefire, uses no stooges or instant stooging or hypnosis so yes it can be done. I am 110% sure that I use a different method to Derren but I can pull mine off live in an ordinary show setting. Anyway, I very much enjoyed reading htis thread, some interesting thoughts and insights. Bri |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
As a wing chun student I say derren uses trickery. bruce lee however did not(my main interest next to magic is wing chun/tsun & jeet kune do)
btw. you can also just use a haunted key or whatever to show your punch. a friend of my once did it after he showed chum kiu form to them. I thought it was hilarious |
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
Michiel, from watching the (in)famous footage of BL IMHO (as Xiqual mentioned earlier in this thread) he uses as "push punch" rather than sitting into Chuen Mar and using the energy application I am familair with, also look at the way he has the guy stand who is on the recieving end. Anyway... I digress as we already know that what DB is using has nothing to do with actual martial arts (neither is the P K Punch I perform which I mentioned above.) So yes, I totally agree with you.
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The Game Regular user Israel 180 Posts |
Derren does not use suggestion, hypnosis or martial arts techinques in this effect. It's a gizmo
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Now, here's a funny thing...
a good friend of mine is a teacher of tai chi, the full on fighting version taught originally only to the king's imperial guards I believe... anyway, we often discuss certain psychological aspects of mentalism and his skills, there's lots of cross-over that's for sure... especially with the power of suggestion... if you've read Sleight of Mind, it touches upon it too... so anyway, I remember in a dark old pub, a guy iwas talking to was a mad-headed kickboxer...we discussed chi energy... I offered to show him something, I was running my hand up and down his arm, not touching - making his arm blow hot and cold...sticking his hand to the table..the usual stuff... I then suggested to him that I had studied certain esoteric skills and would like to try something further with him...i said that I had learnt how to manifest my energy into such a small spot, it had been described as being touched by a gentle ball of electricity, no pain, but more of a invigourating "tickle"...and was he ok with feeling that? he gave permission - I summoned the energy up, and, not even touching him, one inch or so away from his chest, I tapped the air with my index finger once... he shivered, said he had goosebumps (didnt see them), and then was giggling like a madman saying how energetic he was suddenly feeling... pure suggestion, rapport, and the importance of priming someone before "something" happens...i think you can get yer vagabond book from amazon.com by the way...
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
Poison, I wasn't discussing DB's method (that for me would be a pointless exercise and not very stimulating…), I was talking about my version, which is very different as I wanted a way that used no set up, stooging, gimmicks etc and could be done as and when I wanted, and as I mentioned, mine does not use martial arts technique either.
On a side note I actually find that I generate more energy using a fa-jing strike than a 1" punch. |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
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On 2007-11-17 13:24, mindyourmagic wrote: Leung Ting/Boztepe wing tsun/tzun |
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Oyama Inner circle Portland, OR. 1054 Posts |
In my opinion using a "push punch" is a form of trickery. Many people believe it to be one thing when it really is another. He also used the "push punch" for effect other then practical application. The one inch punch is nice to look at and talk about, but it is not very practical. To many movies have been watched here.
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
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On 2007-11-17 15:12, Oyama wrote: for what it is, it is a good punch. but I prefer chainpunches anyway |
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
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The one inch punch is nice to look at and talk about, but it is not very practical. To many movies have been watched here. You wouldn't say that if you knew the applications. In my humble opinion, your answer shows a very definate lack of understanding. If you had thrown a solid punch at any decent Wing Chun practiioner which was met by a Bong Sau and a one inch punch with relaxed energy I don't believe you would hold that opinion. Who am I though? Irespect your opinion and I too, am entitled to mine. I didn't want to ressurect this thread to start a discussion about which art is better.... which punch hsa applicaitons in a fight... I merely mentioned that I have a method for a real world, practical presentation of a mental effect and I posted after stumbbling on said thread... I guess I should just keep it to myself, keep performing it and leave you lot to argue about the other stuff! |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
This thread has been rolling for two years. Much as I love Wing Chun the thread seems to have strayed somewhat. Are any of you closer to having a repeatable method for Derrens 'psycho punch'?
My thoughts are that this is one of the few effects he does where he actually uses hypnosis and suggestion to achieve the effect. Anthony
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
This is the last time I am posting on this thread...
Like I said earlier. (not sure if you read all of my posts Anthony) I did not come here to debate Derren's method and yes, I have a method which I use which replicates the effect in a real world setting, whih is where Iwas actually trying to go with the thread rather than get bogged down in other stuff. As I said in my last post I should have just kept quiet, so I will! Bri |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
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On 2007-11-17 16:23, mindyourmagic wrote: as much as I love the 1 inch punch I stand for believe wing chun is about simplicity. simplicity for me is chain punches. but the proof of the power of a 1 inch punch is at my club. my sifu trew one against a student who flew against a plastic thing. it lies still broken in the corner until now no doubt you can deliver a good 1 inch punch but as simplicity is a issue for me I prefer chainpunches. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Sorry Bri, I think I dropped off just before your last post outlining that you have a method.
Ant
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Oyama Inner circle Portland, OR. 1054 Posts |
I know Bri will not respond to this and that's fine. I did not mean any disrespect to you. I apologize if I did. I have never heard of the 1 inch punch doing any real damage to anyone.I have seen people get pushed back many feet, but that is it. I am not sure if you have ever heard of a man named Masutatsu Oyama? Look him up when you have time. He did some serious damage to people and Bulls. It wasn't done and I am quite certain it could not be done with a 1 inch punch. This is of course my opinion and I don't mean any disrespect with it.
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