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Eric Jones
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I have been studying a bunch for 3 coin production and vanish sequences that fit my performance style. I think I've found my new Favorite. I happened across a routine in a book called "A" Material by Jim Pace about a year ago and read thru a routine called Punishment. It seemed to be quite novel and right up my alley, but I neglected to attempt the routine with coins in hand. Big Mistake

I recently obtained a copy of Gags 2 and watched the performance of the routine and was floored. I would highly suggest you get both the book and the video......
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Where can you find this Eric?

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Eric Jones
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Gags 2 and "A" Material, both by Jim Pace
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Phedon,
Jim Pace is a member here. I'm sure if you send him a PM he'll be happy to help you.

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Joe
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I'm no fan of producing things only to vanish them, or vanishing things only to imedietly reproduce them. How workable are the separate phases?
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I see where you're coming from Jon. The routine can most certainly be extended to allow a coins across or a spellbound phase, as the production and the vanish sequences can be performed separately. I really dig the vanish sequence.

With slight modification, I honestly think the routine can be reset easily to perform in a strolling situation.
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Thanks Joe. That's precisely what I'm going to do.

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Now that's a man on a mission.....

Give em hell Phedon!!! LOL

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AH ah aha. I trust your judgment man... Especially since I saw your karate coin moves in Philadelphia! Thanks again for the info, I just PMed Jim.

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How are the angles on the routines? Are these taught in Gags 2?
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The angles are like normal. Just keep aware of your audience and you should be fine. It is best to have them in your general front area to get the best view. But from the sides I don't necessarily think they are problematic. The routine is a thing of beauty. I love watching Jim perform it for people.
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On 2005-10-10 19:26, Godhandz wrote:
I have been studying a bunch for 3 coin production and vanish sequences that fit my performance style. I think I've found my new Favorite. I happened across a routine in a book called "A" Material by Jim Pace about a year ago and read thru a routine called Punishment. It seemed to be quite novel and right up my alley, but I neglected to attempt the routine with coins in hand. BIG MISTAKE

I recently obtained a copy of Gags 2 and watched the performance of the routine and was floored. I would highly suggest you get both the book and the video......
Just got both, after your recommendation....and have to admit, he actualy fooled me, especially re a certain move..
I made up a solution myself, and he proved me wrong, but what I dreamed up might not be a disadvantage, hmmm, I'll send you a PM re this, maybe you can use the idea... ( I might use it too Smile )
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I believe the "punishment" routine is not only suitable for a strolling routine. I believe it is specifically designed for such a situation. I think Mr Pace likes to use it for a group of people who may not want to see magic. He just walks up and askes them if the would like to see a trick, as he begins the routine. By the time they say "no" he has produced the coins and makes them vanish as he says "ok, sorry for bothering you". People do a double take because the coins come and go before their eyes. Even though they said they didn't want to see a trick. They see one anyway and it gets their curiousity going.
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Producing something only to vanish can work IF that is the context for the object RE it exists for a short time then goes back to where it came from. In a routine called "Trio" in the book Unexplainable Acts by Gary Kurtz, he gives a reason why the coins appear, go across and vanish at the end. It makes thematic sense. Of ALL the exclusive vanish-production sequences (including my own) it's the only one I would do for real audiences. The others are more excercises/ works in progress and pieces for magicians. Don't get me wrong I love these sequences I have found in the real world they don't play as well standing alone.

While I'm sure the routine plays well for Pace in the situations he uses it I don't like the idea of performing an effect then asking if its ok to do one. That seems a bit rude to me (only my personal opinion and is not a judgement on Mr. Pace). I will definately check out the Pace routine for structural and management elements.
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On 2005-10-18 11:08, JTW wrote:

While I'm sure the routine plays well for Pace in the situations he uses it I don't like the idea of performing an effect then asking if its ok to do one. That seems a bit rude to me (only my personal opinion and is not a judgement on Mr. Pace). I will definately check out the Pace routine for structural and management elements.
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JTW,

Check it out. You may like it. It's not really a matter of doing an effect then asking permission to do one. It's basically a simultaneous thing. I believe Mr Pace calls the routine "punishment" because he says that sometimes walking up to a group of business men in a strolling stiuation can feel like punishment. This is a beautiful thing for a situation where the chance that the group is going to blow you off is strong. It's a very neat idea.

Hopefully he will comment on this himself. I'm sure he's glad that folks are enjoying it.
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Hey Godhanz how are you. This is Joaquin. I also met you at the PA coin seminar with Phedon.

I met Jim Pace in his lecture six months ago here in San Antonio TX. He performed this sequence "Punishment" in the lecture and yes it was pretty good. However, I remember he mentioned that he made some changes and improvements to the original routine that was in his book. You know how lecturers are. You cannot remember everthing they teach you. I unfortunately cannot recall the changes. However I do remember that when he performed it there were 2 guys standing next to him, side by side. He was using them for some of the other effects also included in his book. I During the vanish of the 3 coins they could not see what he did, so angles are pretty covered.

We might have to bring Jim to this thread so he can provide further information about some of the changes he made.

Joaquin
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Although coin magic isn't the style of magic I perform (translation - I am terrible at it), I actually enjoy the routines where coins are produced from nowhere and then vanish. I enjoy coin magic primarily as a spectator and have seen some great routines with people doing just that. Perhaps I am easy to please but it really doesn't take much justification to hook me emotionally on something as impossible as producing something from nothing or to makes something vanish without a trace.

Sorry to hijack your thread Eric.
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Hmmm, It is always a nice thing to see someone talking about magic, especially if it is something that I created. I have had some terrific emails regarding this routine. Thanks to those who are willing to practice it. It is not at all difficult and it uses something that I think will start magicians creating new ways to vanish items.
I am writting a pamphlet with six effects using this method. It will include Punishment, A bill switch, a card swith, and some transformations with coins and paper.
I think the strength of this routine (Punishment) is in the simplicity. Magicians will most certainly come up with many variations...and that will good to see. This method is already a part of a new close up act with music combining Misers dream, Punishment,13 coin assembly, and a brand new effect wothout a name. All with just coins and a few cards.

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Backdoor
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Marc, If you love it like that, then check out Justin Miller's "Silver Dream," it's absolutely beautiful! I haven't had the pleasure to see Mr. Pace's "Punishment" but I'm sure it must be amazing too if Godhandz wants to know about it, that guy's real good too. I mention "Jussy" here because he is right up your alley also, if you like this stuff. I believe he also has a way of materializing the 3 coins, then magically vanishing all 3 right before your eyes, nice and smooth, and with no gaffs. It's quite amazing, but surprisingly doable I hear.
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WOW really I always looked over these one I don't know I thought the title threw me away. I might have to look at these. They are in DVD format right? One And Two?
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