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MikeOB
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I took mine out of storage after 12 years and thought it wasn't working. I took it to a camera shop to fix. It was still working just wasnt making any noise when it was on. I emailed John and his recommendation was to take it to a camera repair shop. He also recommends making sure the batteries are making good contact. So you may want to clean the contacts. I saw the camera repair person use a pencil eraser to clean the contacts.

Hope this helps,

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On 2005-10-22 10:55, MikeOB wrote:
It was still working just wasnt making any noise when it was on. I emailed John and his recommendation was to take it to a camera repair shop.


Wha? You want it to make noise? I'm confused. You said it worked but wasn't making noise and you set it out to repair it? What sort of noise do you want it to make?

I suppose a bright flash and a fog horn effect would be interesting. Hehehehe.
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When you turn it on since it is a p**** f**sh it made a whistling sound like any other f**sh when it recycles. I assumed all the other fism flashes did the same thing. After I got it out of storage it did not make the sound which is a good thing but it also was not working. The photo repair shop did not know how to fix it but they cleaned the battery contacts. It suddenly started working when I got it home. I defiently would not want it to make the noise a f**sh does. hehe

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Randy, did you ever get your flash burst ?

I've heard two people now say that fism flash is brighter, but my flash burst seems plenty bright to me. I'll have to double check the instructions that came with it but I think I read something to the effect that they upgraded the bulb.. ? (Unless that's just in reference to the original bulb in the flash unit)

I can't say how much smaller Flash Burst is than FISM because I've never seen FISM to compare them. I will say that I think the FB module could stand to be a bit smaller, and in fact, there is some dead space inside the thing.
I'm considering taking the guts out and mounting them in a custom box that's slimmer - the wiring isn't tricky at all (well, I was an electronics tech for years too). The best part of FB has to be the toe switch - I can see applying that to several effects.. and the FB has a kill switch on the module too, so you can walk about normally without flashing every 1.1 seconds. ;-P
Afterall, nobody wants to be accused of flashing !
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Just got it a couple of days ago. This flash, if memory serves me, is just like that of FISM Flash. The instructions state the bulb has been "upgraded" whatever that means. Although I'll be using mine while pinned to the right side inside my jacket, I decided to use it under a shirt. That thing is pretty bright even under a dark shirt. In fact it appears brighter under a dark shirt as white shirts just absorb too much of the bulb's light.

As for the module size, it's 3 x 2 3/4 inches with a velcro strap that fastens easily around your waist. The kill switch is handy and very accessible even under a shirt. Just a click and it's on or off.

My only concern was the instructions had no company contact information such as an e-mail addy or phone number for customer questions. I'd like to know how many flashes you can get out of these bulbs before they burn out! Or do high-intensity gas flash bulbs never burn out with reasonable use?

The flash is fired by a pressure sensitive switch powered by two AA batteries.

Otherwise I'm extremely satisfied with it great enough to order another for backup and I'll be using it for sure!

Highly recommended.
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Glad to hear you really like it - and that the flash is just as bright.
Steve Johnson is the inventor, but I found that his home webpage is down.
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Flash it up and flash it down!! Feel like a clown?

Keep it round!!

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Uhhh... yeah..
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Hello,
For those that own and use the FISM Flash, I'm wondering where you place the trigger unit and what you use to secure the bulb in place behind your shirt. I have been using it for 2 years, but never found a great solution to either of these problems. The best spot for the triggering device for me is under the armpit in terms of triggering it with the most ease and while having both hands free, however it also seems to be one of the most awkward places to secure it. As for the bulb, the elastic works but tends to move around and can get uncomfortable if worn for awhile. Also, is anyone aware of how to rig up a toe switch for the FISM flash? Mystician, I noticed that you have some past experience as an electronics tech, so if you know I'd love to find out. Smile Thanks!

-Oz
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Hey Oz,

I fish the bulb part through my sleeve and trigger it when I point at something. As far as triggering, I have the main device near my pants pocket and trigger it when my other hand is in my pocket. I secure it using an ace bandage around the thigh. Probably not the best solution.

Mike
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Oz,

Maybe you can adapt to FISM what comes with FlashBurst for the unit. A thin fabric waist belt with a receiving piece of velcro on the side. The unit is pressed against the waist and holds in place. That arrangement all goes under the shirt. For the bulb, try pinning it to the outside of your undershirt. You may even use a safety pin to hold it in place. Throwing on shirt covers it all and you can start flashing the audience. Ugh wait that didn't come out right...well you know what to do.

Can't help you on the wiring for foot activation. That's why I went with FlashBurst so I could avoid that problem.
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I have both units. My preference is the Flash Burst because on the "safety switch" and the toe switch. Also I like the colored "gels" or sleeves that you can buy for the Flash Burst. FISM flash was just a bit awkward for me to activate without looking "fishy". A lanyard or big elastic loop attatched to the bulb is great for holding it in place (you wear it around your neck under your shirt).
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Hi Oz, regarding the toe switch, offhand I don't know where to procure one, but I'm sure I can find out. They also wouldn't be hard to make; essentially it's just a leaf pressure switch: two parallel, thin, flat, slightly arched strips of metal (copper probably) that close the circuit when they are compressed together. Heat shrink tubing can be found in all sizes, that'd make a great "housing" for it. But let me see what I can dig up on the 'net or from one of my catalogs first !
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Thanks Mystician. Probably best to post it in here as I'm sure others are interested as well.

-Oz
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Anyone who's interested in toe switches need look no further than the one used by professional cheats and U.S. intelligence agencies. PM me if interested.

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So far, most of the switches I've found commercially available are sold by companies who specialize in gadgets for people with disabilities, people who are wheelchair bound, paralyzed, etc.. and they usually don't have the prices.

On the home front (aka cheaping out !) I got one of those pressure mats that are sold this time of year for halloween, you know, the ones you step on and it triggers that little white box which plays a screaming sound.
I cut it open and found it to be much more simple than commercial pressure mats - basically, there's it's just a little round metal disc (known as a "force sensing resistor") in the center that's about the size of a half dollar, but thinner, and the connecting wire is just two leads, soldered on the disc at two points. Squeezing the disc triggers the sound.

It'd be easy enough to just take a couple of small strips of duct tape and make a tiny pressure pad by sandwiching it loosely in the strips of tape, and stick that in your shoe.
Or, probably even better, cut out a small strip section (say, 2" x 1" )from that same mat, which is just foam and a clear sheet of plastic inside - I'm not sure, but I think somehow this works off of a static charge to affect the disc (this is interesting stuff to me, I'm going to keep digging), and laminate the edges to enclose the disc inside it. This would look pretty darn close to what comes with Flash Burst !!

I'll take pics with my digital camera and document the whole project, should be fun.
Oh, and Walgreens was blowing out their halloween stuff, I got the mat for all of $1.49 !

Larry, I'm interested, what kind of source do you have for toe switches ?

Here's what I've found:
http://www.tekscan.com/flexiforce/flexiforce.html
http://www.steadlands.com/interlink/interlinkpages/fsr.htm
http://www.sensitronics.com/force-sensing.htm

Most of this stuff though, is beyond what we want - this is often used for measuring force, we just want a simple switch.
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Larry Davidson
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Mystician, your PM box is full. Clear it out and I'll PM the information to you.

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Argh !!!! again ?
That's the price of being popular I guess ;-)

thanks, gimme a second here...
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Mystician, PM sent.
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I made my own flash unit and toe switch years ago. It consisted of a sunpak camera flash. My toe switch was 2 minin bike cards with a sponge border. Inside was a wire soldered on a flat thumb tac, which one was glued to each card. You could trigger by applying pressure and the sponge would keep wires/tacs appart til then. I wore this inside my sock on my ankle bone. When needed, I would just tap my right heel on my left ankle...Great for walk around. PM me if you need details. It cost me about $30 to make + about and hour time. Please be aware of the capasitor in the flash units!
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